Emigrants from Siemiatycze near Bielsk Poland

[JustinL]

Mark,

I do not believe there was any real process for changing one's name back then. The NA website might give some pointers. I seem to recall reading somewhere that it was sufficient to publish the name change in a reasonably widely-read newspaper or even in the London Gazette. Deed polls are a much later legal formality.

Very few imigrants became naturalized subjects, especially at that early time. The proces wasn't free and there were few real advantages. The pressure to become naturalised increased towards the end of the century as the numbers of imigrants increased quite dramatically.

I checked my Oesterman notes and the marriage cert has confirmed my theory that Louis was the son of Joseph Hartog Oesterman.

Justin

[stmha]

Justin

Thanks for the info, I was hoping that maybe they had all been naturalised but it looks as though Mordecai made a strategical decision. Funny really as Joseph and Mordecai's pathways seemed to be split, Mordecai's led to fame and fortune and Joseph went bankcrupt and was found dead in the street.  I found a document that looks like it maybe a map of a cemetary where he maybe buried. Mordecai's family went onto to do great things but its still good to know we share a strong bloodline.

The Oestermans were as you stated, I got confused as Joseph Hartog Oesterman and Hartog Oesterman are one of the same man.

mark

[JustinL]

Mark,

Now you've made me curious. What fame and fortune did Mordechai achieve?

Hartog Mozes Oesterman (1764-1835) was the father of Joseph Hartog Oesterman (b. 12 Feb 1800).

Hartog was the son of Mozes Meijer (1729-1800), who was the son of Meijer Mozes (d. 16 Aug 1772).

Oesterman was adopted as a surname in 1811.

Justin

[stmha]

Justin

That's amazing and I am almost speechless. How did you find this out. I am really struggling getting past the obvious sources from the web (e.g. ancestry). Clearly your knowledge is vast so please point me in the right direction or give me some clues. Do you know any family members or other descendants.

With regard Mordecai, there several references to him in the archives library in canterbury. He was instrumental in the building of the synagogue in canterbury and looked to mix with some very influential people including members of parliament. He mad a contribution to the build and therefore can only assume was also wealthy (unlike his brother). He was a pawnbroker and silversmith in canterbury and he certainly voted in the 1847 elections.  He had 8 children of which Henry went on to be the first Jewish Mayor canterbury in 1869 and again in 1870. His brother Israel  was mayor of Leicester and was knighted in 1895. They clearly mixed in influential circles.

Have you managed to look at my tree on ancestry, it has more info
I cant thank you enough and would love to hear more about how I develop my level of skill in genealogical research.

[stmha]

Justin

I have refound my confusion over the Oesterman question. I have Louis' father as Joseph Oesterman. Louis was born in 1800 which is the same year you have for Joseph and I am wondering if I have somehow mixed up Joseph's. Can you help

My email is (*) if you would like to visit the ancestry site I will add you to the guest list just let me know

mark

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[stmha]

Justin

OK I am officially not confused. I have Joseph as father and also duplicated him as a sibling with the same birthdate. Apologies for being dim

mark

[stmha]

Hartog Joseph
Birth1764
Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
Death 27 MAY 1835
Amsterdam, North Holland, Netherlands
Family Info
Father    Mozes 'Meyer' OESTERMAN FREMDER (1729-1800)
Mother    Aagje 'Samuel' SANTE-ZANTE (1734-1801)
Spouse   Judic-Jettele 'Mozes' OSSEDRIJVER (1766-1840)
Married 1819
Children Meyer 'Hartog' (1786-1841) Rebecca 'Hartog' (1794-) David 'Hartog' (1797-) Joseph 'Hartog' (1800-) Aagje 'Hartog' (1804-) Duifje 'Hartog' (1809-) 

Just found this on another tree on ancestry however the rest of the tree has some major discrepancies

[JustinL]

Mark,

I'll try to send you an email.

Justin

[kayelinda]

would like to hear if you found any birth or marriage records. JRI Poland says there may be some at LDS but they would be in Polish.  Have you ever used LDS records?