Dead end City of London 1831

[CaroleW]

In 1861 - James is shown as aged 44 so 8 years earlier he should have been around 35/36yrs old

It's quite likely he may have knocked a few years off his age in 1861 given that Elizabeth was only 30

It may well be that we are looking at Elizabeth being his third wife - but we still can't find a marriage to Elizabeth Tarrant

Looking at the London marriages - the 1852 marriage I referred to above between Oatway/Steadman appears to have been the James Steadman who died in 1854 aged 23

[Oatway]

Thanks everyone for your interest and help. James Oatway was born in 1814 in Shirwell, near Pilton, Devon. He married Eliza Mattingley in 1837 in Pangbourne, Berks. They had Harriet and then moved to London. He was a basketmaker. Eliza did die in 1851. James's father was a weaver living in Pilton called John.

I had no idea that he had married Ann Thorpe in Stepney (Thanks Nigel). Baby Alice of Whitechaple, as posted by Monica, might have been their child. So if Ann died in 1854 that means that James married Elizabeth Tarrant from 1855.

I really don't know about the Tarrants of Marylebone as the only references Elizabeth uses on the censuses are that she come from Lime Street, City of London.

I don't think that the Jamaica Fields James Oatway is connected.

Best wishes,
Oatway

[Oatway]

Gaie,
How did you manage to find James and Eliza in the 1841 census? I have been searching for ages. Where were they then, still in Berks?

[Gaie]

Hi

They're in City of London (Ancestry says Middlesex):

1 Little College Street, Parish of St Michael Royal College Hill.

Image and transcription say OTWAY.

KR
Gaie

[Oatway]

Thanks Gaie. The family are frequently referred to as Otway. Elizabeth's (Tarrant) death certificate in1884 has her down as Otway.

[gillessex]

Hi, I just registered for this Roots Chat and really don't know what I'm doing. I'm a bit mean and often short of time so haven't got a suscription to Ancestry.  However I've just started on my Grandmnothers side of family - Mary Maud Oatway b 1881, daughter of Alfred b 1842 (who enlisted in the army 1861 and spent 16 years in Ireland, in fact his first 2 children were born there) Alfred was the son of James b1814 and also a basket maker like James who you are also looking at, could I ask your connection please.

[Oatway]

Hello,
My family line runs from Alfred's younger brother James who was born in 1857. The brothers had different mothers. Their father James seems to have had 5 children by his first marriage (Alfred included), 1 by his second and 4 by his last wife (James being one of them). The little information I have on Alfred is that he was born in Walbrook in 1842. In 1881 he was living at 41 Eagle Street, Holborn and married to Caroline from Bristol, a waistcoat maker. Their children Alfred (6) and Rose (4) were born in Dublin. His second wife (?) Catherine was born in Dublin and they had more children together. Alfred was a driver in the Royal Artillery in 1861. His uncle Alfred (James b.1814's younger brother who was born in 1818) was also in the army.

[gillessex]

My Grandmother - who died in 1951 when I was 3 was one of Alfreds daughters but born after he left the army and became a basket maker like his father James. I just about remember my Grandma Mary Maud Oatway but I remember her sister Rose very well, my Great Aunt, who was a lovely lady.  Rose and Mary Maud married 2 brother Albert Hughes my Grandad and Edward Hughes.  On the 1901 census Mary Maud is living with her sister Rose and brother in law Edward Hughes so I assumed she had no parents at that stage.  She married my Grandad in 1903.  I wish I'd started doing this before my Dad died because he probably would have had a lot of answers for me.  Thanks for your information.

[Oatway]

You will find tracing the Devon branch back through Pilton/Shirwell/Yarnscombe very interesting. We visited the old mill in Shirwell where the family lived in 1782. Alfred's grandparents John and Mary Oatway are buried in the graveyard of Pilton Church along with other Oatways. Oatways can be traced back to Yarnscombe in 1655. There are branches in Canada and US. Happy searching.