Dead end City of London 1831

[CaroleW]

It may help if I post 1861 details of this family

James Oatway 44
Elizabeth   30
Eliza 16
Rebecca 18
John 1
James  3
Caroline Barker 24 no relationship shown
RG9 Piece 230 Folio 105 Page 11

I have checked all marriages on freebmd between 1851-1861 and the only one I could find with the name Elizabeth on the same page was 1852 in Shoreditch-  Alice Elizabeth Steadman.  They were in Shoreditch in 1861

I then checked the full GRO index but no match to a Tarrant

I also checked for a Tarrant/Steadman marriage in case Elizabeth was also previously married but no result

[Gaie]

Hi

Oddly enough, three of the children from the first marriage were baptised 23rd May 1856 in St Mary Magdalen, Bermondsey:

Alfred born 11/11/1842
Rebecca born 25/3/1844
Eliza born 25/3/1846
all to James & Eliza OATWAY, of Rowlands Court; James was a basket-maker.  No indication was given as to whether Eliza was alive or not.

But there is a death reg:

Dec Qtr 1851 London Vol 2 Page 146
Eliza OATWAY

Kind regards
Gaie

[nigelp]

Hi,

Does this burial at St James' Church, Bermondsey fit in anywhere?

James OATWAY - Jamaica Fields - 27 Sep 1854 - age 23 (ie born 1831)

This perhaps fits in somehow with the baptisms in Bermondsey (too young to be the father of Alfred etc) but obviously not with the 1861 Census entry posted by Carole. It obviously does not fit in with the birth in 1858.

Nigel

[Gaie]

Hi

(Harriett), Alfred, Rebecca and Eliza (and Caroline) are with James and first wife Eliza in 1851 (HO107 / 1531 / 85 / 30).  In 1841 (HO107 / 722 / 21 / 7 / 8 ) James and Eliza are with Harriett aged 2yrs 2mths and no other children.  You'd expect there to be a son James, wouldn't you, but none shows up in the censuses.

KR
Gaie

[CaroleW]

1841 for Bethnal Green - different family

James Oatway 42 carpenter not born in county
Elizabeth 38 not born in county
Mary  18 not born in county
James  10 born in county
Emma   8 born in county
Richard   5 born in county
Thomas  6 Months born in county
HO107 Piece 692/8 Folio 24 Page 7

[nigelp]

Hi Carole,

That James is probably the one who died at Jamaica Fields in 1854 (buried at St James', Bermondsey). He is not with his parents in the 1851 Census and appears to be unmarried and a lodger in Shoreditch.

Nigel

[nigelp]

The 1851 Census has the following information (HO107; Piece: 1531; Folio: 85; Page: 30): -

St Mary At Hill, Middlesex
James Oatway 37 Basket maker Devonshire, Pilton
Eliza Oatway 39                          Berkshire, ?
Harriett Oatway 13                     Berkshire, Theale
Alfred Oatway 9
Rebecca Oatway 7
Eliza Oatway 5
Caroline Oatway 2

Bearing in mind the age of Harriett and that she was born in Berkshire James may have married Eliza in Berkshire before civil registration commenced.

James' wife Eliza may have died in 1851 (as per Gaie's post) since their daughter Eliza married Andrew Law at St James, Shoreditch on 31 July 1871 (marriage certificate confirms James Oatway, basket maker as her father).

Nigel

[CaroleW]

It is the second marriage of James Oatway to Elizabeth Tarrant that is needed so it can be established who Elizabeth's father was

That marriage (if there was one) took place between 1852-1861 and cannot yet be found on freebmd

James marriage etc to his first wife Eliza is not the issue at the moment

[nigelp]

Hi Carole,

Is it the second marriage?

The following marriage at St Dunstan and All Saints, Stepney on 11 December 1853 appears to be relevant:

James OATWAY, age 40, widower, basket maker, 16 Globe Lane, father - John Oatway, weaver
Ann THORPE, age 41, spinster, 16 Globe Lane, father - Charles Thorpe, carpenter
Witnesses appear to be Samuel and Ann Hodge.

Ann appears to have been buried at St Dunstan and All Saints on 29 October 1854, aged 42.

Nigel