Irwin Family from St. Georges London, and Bethnal green. COMPLETED

[Lucy2]

Do you have any advice on where I go to try and trace William and Hannah's parents??

Hi John

Firstly, I think you should obtain copies of the NZ death records for both George William and Hannah BATCHELER.
This is because their 1879 marriage record doesn't include details of where they were born, or who their parents were.

[Be sure to order "printouts" of these death records - as this will give you the maximum information available, and is also the least expensive option.]

A note of caution though, death records are not always 100% reliable (because the information is supplied by a third party) ... but ideally they'll give you sufficient info from which to progress to the next stage of tracing parents, siblings, etc.

I did spot this birth at the FREE BMD (UK) website :
No guarantee that it is the correct George William - but year of birth is about right.

(UK)  BIRTHS -- JUN -- 1854

BATCHELER - George William

Registered at :    Stepney (London)


  ~  Lu

[Kiwijohn007]

Hi Lucy,

I believe it was a tradition to give 1 of the children the mothers maiden name. The other poster said Hannah's maiden name was Cottell and because George had a middle name of Cottell I assumed that it was correct. However as you point out and what I also found on the marriage registration on BDM online that it said Hannahs surname was Paddon. I also notice that Samuel's middle name is Paddon. So I agree with you that her maiden name was more than likely Paddon.

In terms of the printout that you mention, can I order this through BDM Online?

Thankyou for your help so far I really appreciate it.
John

[Lucy2]

Hi John

Yes, you can order the printouts from NZ BDM, online.   

http://www.bdmhistoricalrecords.dia.govt.nz/Home

Once you have received them, if you'd like to add the details here, then we can offer suggestions as where to go / what to do, next.

~  Lu

[Kiwijohn007]

Hi Lucy,

I will order a printout for both Hannah and George William and see what information it contains.

Thankyou so much for the help so far.
John

[Kiwijohn007]

Hi all,

I have recieved the death certificates for George William Batcheler and Hannah Batcheler (nee Paddon)

The following is the information contained in the printouts.

George William Batcheler, Died 1932, age 78, lived in New Zealand 59 years (entered New Zealand approx 1873). He was a blacksmith and came from London England. Fathers name unknown on death cert, mothers maiden name was Cottell. No 1st name given. His father was a stockyard labourer.

Hannah Batcheler (nee Paddon), Father Samuel Paddon, Farmer. No mention of a her mother.

If anyone can help that would be great.

Thanks
John

[Eyesee]

William Gibson BATCHELER married Dec qtr 1851, Bethnal Green. One of the brides was a Louisa Emile COTTELL.

1871 census - RG10/554/26/46
Mile End Old Town
William BATCHELOR, head mar 46, Coal dealer, born East??
Louisa E BATCHELOR, wife mar 42, born West ??
George W BATCHELOR, son unm 17, Porter, born Marylebone
Richard BATCHELOR, son 15, born Guildford, Surrey (Imbecile)
Fanny C BATCHELOR, dau 13, born Ash, Surrey
Eliza BATCHELOR, dau 11, born Wokingham, Berks
John BATCHELOR, son 7, born Stepney
William BATCHELOR, son 2, born ditto

St Jude Bethnal Green
1851 Nov 9
William Gibson BATCHLER, full age, widower, Clerk, 49 Jubilee Place Mile End Road, father John William Batchler, Customs officer
Louisa Emily COTTELL, full age, spinster, Dress maker, 49 Jubilee Place Mile End Road, father John Cottell, Plumber
Married after Banns
Both signed in presence of Thomas Wright, Ellen Waters

Ian C

[Eyesee]

In 1881 William and Louisa and two youngest children were still in Mile End Old Town. His birthplace is much clearer to read now as East Cowes, Isle of Wight. Louisa was born West Cowes, Isle of Wight

1851 - HO107/1552/475/59
49 Jubilee Place, Stepney
Charlotte COTTELL, head wid 46, Needlewoman, born Middlesex, City
Louisa COTTELL, dau unm 21, Dressmaker, born Isle of Wight
William COTTELL, son unm 14, Shop boy, born ditto
Fanny COTTELL, dau 12, born ditto

1851 - HO107/1552/869/13
Wellington Passage, Stepney
Elizabeth BATCHELER, head wid 54, Needlewoman, born Kent, ??
William BATCHELER, son wid 26, Traveller to a distiller, born Cowes, Isle of Wight
Frederic BATCHELER, son unm 17, Errand boy, born ditto
Eliza Ann BATCHELER, dau 15, born ditto

Ian C

[Eyesee]

William Gibson BATCHELER
born 28 Oct 1824
baptised 6 Jan 1825, Whippingham, Hampshire
parents John William Gibson BATCHELOR and Elizabeth

Ian C

[Kiwijohn007]

Hi Ian,

Thankyou so much for the information its fantastic.

St Jude Bethnal Green
1851 Nov 9
William Gibson BATCHLER, full age, widower, Clerk, 49 Jubilee Place Mile End Road, father John William Batchler, Customs officer
Louisa Emily COTTELL, full age, spinster, Dress maker, 49 Jubilee Place Mile End Road, father John Cottell, Plumber
Married after Banns
Both signed in presence of Thomas Wright, Ellen Waters

Do you know what the Married after Banns means?

There are a few things. William Gibson Batcheler in the 1851 census is 26 and born in Cowes, Isle of Wight yet he is baptised in Whippingham, Hampshire. Is this probable? I see John William Batchelor was a Customs Officer. Not sure if that has a bearing on it though.

I am so greatful for all your help so far.
John