Mordecai Andrews and Elizabeth Rutt

[janet lesley]

Hi, just to add to the confusion  I have Mordecai  1st  wife  as being Sarah Maydman ,3 children  Sarah 1744-1818,  Mary 1745-1789,  Mordecai 2nd 1738-1879.  ( this info comes from Eliza Julia Andrews . Mordecai 2nd daughter )  .The 2nd wife is named as Sarah FAIR not Fann  no children named .

[janet lesley]

Hi, The details I have for Elizabeth Gamiel Rutt, Father-  George Rutt  (wealthy druggist from Blackfriar) Mother -  Elizabeth Towill  ,Brother -  John Towill Rutt m . Rachel Pattisson ,one of her sisters married   Rev George Kemble Whatley ,rector of Wokingham,Bucks. and the other married John May a wealthy wine merchant at Maldon in Essex. The family were told stories about Elizabeths "Grand Uncle Towill" and his large house and "Madam Towill of Taunton "  The connection to Rev John Mason is unclear. Janet

[emmsthheight]

Hi Janet

Welcome to Rootschat!  I found your post by chance when I was doing a search of the net.

I'm not a direct descendant of the Andrews but they're in my tree.  I tried to look at all the Andrews siblings at ane stage, but had nothing like as many as you.

I'm interested in them because of Emily Augusta and Geogiana who married Coventry and George Morgan Patmore.  I'm descended from the brother Eugene Gurney, (Gurney as an adult),  who went to Australia, where his children were born and returned to England and died in Salford, Lancashire.

I have loads on Gurney and Coventry and their descendants as well as a little bit of early stuff.

Best wishes

Emms

[emmsthheight]

Hi Again

The person I'm really looking for is George Morgan.  There is very little on him.  I have his marriage, and birth but no baptism.  I think he must be one of the George Patmores in boarding school in 1841. 

I know he went to sea in some capacity andfamily lore and literature always saidd he died in Mozambique, possibly, Johanna.  Gentleman's magazine confirms he died in the British Cosulate, Isle of Johanna
Imthink 1856, I'll check the date.

I can find no official record and virtually no info otherwise.

I have the marriage certificate. 

I'm going to start a new thread, but I posted here because he has a mention.  If anyone has more info I would love to know.

Thank you for all the fascinating info on the Andrews family.

I will enjoy perusing that.  Eliza Orme was the other one, with her family who seemed to have an involvement with the Patmores.  One of the Ormes was a suffragette.

I will look through what I have too and see if I have any more snippets on the Andrews family.  Emily Augusta was Coventry Patmore's Angel in the House of his poem.

By the way loads of these London church registers are being added to Ancestry if you have it or can get to a library which has.  It may also be worth a look at 19C British Newspapers from The Gale, via library ticket number if you're lucky. 

Gurney was an editor at the Derby Mercury and worked on a couple of London papers and in Australia was an editor on the Melbourne Argus.  The Mercury printed loads on the family including in laws, even after he left in 1859.

Best wishes

Emms

[janet lesley]

Hello Emms, glad to hear from you, I would love to have George Morgan`s certificates do you have copies?. I have him born 1825 and nothing else. Do you know anything about the sister Eliza Blancheborn 1827? She married a Paris  correspondent for a London newspaper ,much older than her ,by the name of Smith (I think) I have no marriage date or any other info. Would you contact me with a private email to swap details? Thanks Janet

[emmsthheight]

Hi Janet

Great to hear back!

Yes, I have a very little extra!  I'll look them up.  The Sm,ith she married was a solicitor - cetainly much older, could have been a correspondent before?  There were links with Paris.  I was hoping the marriage would come on Ancestry London - but not yet!  I'll look out the exact year - it's about 1851. - St James?

I have the George cetificate - witnesses were P G Patmore - his father? and I will check.  Possibly Charles Orme. He's on one.

I'll pm you too and see if we can swop anything else.  To tell the truth, apart from a date nd a certificate I know no more on George than when I was six! - A long time ago!

Best wishes

Emms

[eetbrs]

Hi Janet.  My 3xgreat grandfather was John Towill Rutt only brother of Elizabeth Rutt who married Mordecai Andrews.  I have a lot of history on the Rutts, Towills, Horrocks etc.  Re your posting of 9 Dec I query the middle name of Elizabeth as Gamiel - have never heard of that.  Also Elizabeth's father's address was Friday Street and later moved to 239 Upper Thames Street (which runs into Blackfriars).  George died following an accident in his premises at Upper Thames Street and the business was run under the name of his wife Elizabeth Towill until John Towill Rutt took command.  The Rutts bought in the raw material usually bark that was kiln dried and then ground and sold on to apothecaries.  George leased a windmill in Lambeth to grind the bark and JTR later bought an early Boulton and Watt steam engine and installed it in Upper Thames Street.  This drove six drug mills and a mustard mill.  Early mills of this type were fire hazards and not unexpectedly the whole lot was destroyed by fire in 1800.  JTR then retired to Essex to lead a busy life of writing etc.
Regards, Brian

[janet lesley]

Hi, My connection to Elizbeth Rutt is her son Edward, who was the Reverend of Beresford Chapel at Walworth, he was my 3G Grandfather. The( Gamiel) comes from the family tree of Elizabeths daughter Eliza Julia Andrews and her husband George Flower. They emigrated to America and pioneered the English County in Illinios. Do you have the names of Elizabeth`s other siblings? I have John Towill Rutt m Rachel Pattison, Anne Horricks Rutt m. John May , there is at least one more  who married Rev John Kemble Whatley, Rector of Wokingham, Bucks. does this sound right to you? I have this info from family memiors written by Elizabeths grandson Edward William Andrews who emigrated to Australia. I would love to have any other info you may have, would you like to contact me privatlely  to swap info ? Janet

[emmsthheight]

Hi Janet, Brian.

I'm still organising stuff to swap with you, Janet - from the Andrews/ Patmore side, but in the meantime, can you tell us the name of the memoirs?  Is it a published book, or a private memoir? 

Some of mine came from family stories and published Patmore memoirs or biography.  I'm busy ratifying it from records and extending what we know.

Happy New Year!

Emms