Mordecai Andrews and Elizabeth Rutt

[janet lesley]

Hi,Pat welcome abooard!  I would love anything you can give me. I am stumped at the momement by Rev Mordecai Andrews 1st,and his wives Sarah Maydman and Sarah Fann.I have no family for them . I have 3 children for "Mord" and Sarah Maydman, Sarah, Mary and "Mord' 2nd, although I suspect there may be an older "Mord" who had sons and they have kept the family name alive. I have found 12 "Mords" so far but only three can be attached to my tree. Glad to hear from you Janet

[janet lesley]

Hi emms, glad to hear from you. Eliza Julia was one of "Mord"2nd and Elizabeth Rutt`s 11 children. I have a book written about her,with her letters and the other is written by her husband George Flower, both are available on line. Very rich history!! You will get the details when I send my info ,Janet

[emmsthheight]

Hi All

Great to hear the replies, and all this info coming out!  These are a fascinating group of people.  The only vague link in a record that I've thought of so far, is a couple of wills, where Edward Orme was if I remember correctly a witness.

I've got much of the census information but it's not all consistent.  I will go throuh andlook for your family in the neighbours.

Best woishes

Emms

[fiona20]

Thank you all for such a lot of information about the Andrews. My interest in them comes from the fact that my family the Taylors were their neighbours in Stanford Rivers and were also dissenters.

This is to let you all know that the wills of all three Mordecais are available to buy online at the UK national archives, details below. Even if you don't want to pay to download them , this gives us the probate dates, which usually means the death was a month or two earlier.

Will of Mordecai Andrews, Gentleman of Artillery Lane, City of London   22 February 1750   PROB 11/776   
Will of Reverend Mordecai Andrews of City of London 10 February 1800   PROB 11/1336   
Will of Mordecai Andrews   12 August 1820   PROB 11/1633

[argentina]

so does anyone here know when
Rev. Samuel Douglas married Elizabeth Andrews ?

Argentina x

[fiona20]

Sorry I do not know the date of that marriage, but you may all be interested in the following:

MORDECAI ANDREWS - Christening: 23 JUN 1762 Independent, Great Coggeshall.

This is possibly the one who married Hannah Litchfield and/or the clothier whose 1803 will is in the Essex Record office.

One of their sons Joseph married Hannah King who lived in Stanford Rivers at the same time as Emily [Mrs Temple] and her mother and brother Frederick who was an inventor like JTR.  The two Andrews families together there is probably more than  a coincidence  - it was a small village.

This is interesting because of the name of this Mordecai’s brother, which looks like the Rutt middle name that people are puzzling over:

GAMALIEL ANDREWS - Christening: 23 JUN 1762 Independent, Great Coggeshall,

There is also  an older brother
JOHN ANDREWS - Christening: 21 DEC 1757 Independent, Great Coggeshall,

They are all sons of John Andrews

[argentina]

Hi Fiona,
It's just that I have info that Rev Samuel Douglas my GGGGGUncle married Mordecia's widow Elizabeth ( Rutt )
Samuel died 1820

Argentina x

[fiona20]

And that would make total sense - her a minister's widow with several young children and not much money at a guess.

Let's hope that someone can find the marriage record. With dissenters it is not always straightforward. As I understand it, their chapels were allowed to do baptisms (a religious ceremony) but not marriages (because it is a legal/civil ceremony as well as religious). So they either had to go to a Church of England church or else go to London where I think [not sure here] there were a few places where dissenters could be married.

F

PS

Have you contacted the Essex Record Office?
Their reference D/NC 22/43 is information about  London Road Chapel in Chelmsford.
Memorials to: Revd. John Gibbons, pastor, d.1763 Revd. Sam. Douglas,  pastor, d.1820 Revd. George Wilkinson, pastor, d.1903 Revd. Thomas McDougall Mundle, pastor, d.1920 William Johns, d.1822, Jos. Woodcock, d.1829, and Thomas Hodges, d.1840
Also photograph of grave of Revd. Samuel  Douglas and Revd. John Gibbons
contact:
ero.enquiry AT essex.gov.uk

[argentina]

yes Fiona I have a copy of the memorial but didn't receive photo of grave....have to re-apply me thinks.
Argentina x