Mordecai Andrews and Elizabeth Rutt

[emmsthheight]

Hi 

Brian, I've just noticed it's only your second post.  Welcome to Rootschat!

You'll get loads of help here.

I have.

Best wishes

Emms

[emmsthheight]

Hi again Janet

I've managed to view the original for Mordecal's marriage to Elizabeth Rutt.

He's described as a widower and Defecting Minister of Coggeshall.

Witnesses are Sarah Rutt, Ann Rutt and John Towill Rutt.  It's by Licence so I don't know what that will say.

Best wishes

Emms

[janet lesley]

Hi Emms, I have this certificate as well . Just today, so Mordecai 2nd had an earlier marrige, my tree (Eliza Julia Andrews m. George Flower)  has her name as Hannah no dates or details I wonder if there were children?. This could explain the mix up with Hannah Litchfield. My " Mord" 3rd died at 40 unmarried so H. Litchfield doesn`t  belong . The memorandum that was written by Edward William Andrews is a privately written paper to his family, he wanted to let them know where he came from and who his family were, He has given us quite a large amount of info and so far I have been able to back it up. I cuold send you a copy it is to large to email   Cheers Janet

[janet lesley]

I have just found a very interesting piece of info in the book written about Eliza Julia Andrews. She refers to herself as being Jewish, not in a religious sense but because of her Andrews blood line This may explain the family name Mordecai ,any thoughts anyone???

[argentina]

Rev Samuel Douglas married Elizabeth, Mordecai's widow. His son-in-law was Charles Andrews.this is off memory I'm sure it was Charles. I have Samuels Will
Argentina  x

[Pat H M]

 :)To Janet
Found your information very interesting as my gggg grandfather was Rev Mordecai Andrews. Have a little information (not much ) that you might like
Pat

[emmsthheight]

Hi Lesley, Pat, all

There's definitely some fascinating stuff there!

I've not forgotten about going through and sending you some bits, Janet.  I'm not getting as much time on it just now as sometimes.  I had to re read your posts to get upi to speed.  I'm trying to see where El8za Julia fits in.

I found the comment about her being Jewish fascinating.

I've never been told anything about this, but I've for a long time, just had a gut reaction to wondr if the Patmores had Jewish links.

I think for one thing, the grandfather of Gurney, George Morgan & Co was a siversmith, and it would seem, a pawnbroker.  They also had strong ties to France and also German blood.  A likely root of the Patmore name, is "de Patmore".

The thing that really niggles is what we call the "Patmore nose"  I know you shouldn't generalise about these things, but it's always made me wonder!  It may just be they knew the Andrews and others from being in business in London. 

I'll have another look at the names you've given me and all the ones in papers I have, and also let you know the most useful ones.

Have a nice day!

Emms

[eetbrs]

Hi Janet.  In your reply of 9 Dec 09 #10 you mention:
The family were told stories about Elizabeth's "Grand Uncle Towill" and his large house and "Madam Towill of Taunton "
My information is that Elizabeth Rutt's parents were George Rutt and Elizabeth Towill and Elizabeth was born in Taunton. Somerset.  I can find no record or mention of Elizabeth Towill's father or how she was connected to the Towills in Taunton.  Mr Towill probably died fairly young because Elizabeth lived with brother John Cole a wealthy fuller in Taunton.  In fact the Rutt and Cole families remained very close throughout the mid 1700s according to a few old letters that have survived.
I am very interested to hear if you have any details on Grand Uncle Towill and Madam Towill.  In a few weeks time in early March I plan to spend a day in Taunton and have a good look around.  I have already had the local records office trawled for Towill and Cole papers but am still missing the link in the Towill tree.
Brian

[janet lesley]

Hi Brian, I am still putting together the Andrews info for you ,I haven`t forgotten you. It is interesting to hear you are going to Taunton. I have an article from the web I found when looking for the Rev Mordecai Andrews 1 & 2. It talks obout the various disenting ministers in Essex and says Elizabeth Rutt was the grandaughter of Rev John Mason 2nd.  I know " Mord "2nd was very close to the dissenting families in Coggeshall ,they were the Pattissons and the Unwins. I think these families are related to the Masons. that may give you an angle to work from. How you get Rutt, Towill ,Unwin and Mason to match up I don`t know. There may be a second marriage perhaps ,goodluck .Janet