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Inquest - Mining death in the Buffery Colliery
« on: Sunday 15 November 09 02:13 GMT (UK) »
Hi

Would anyone know where I could access an inquest held 29th December 1893 by the Coroner for Staffordshire.  James Probert aged 73, was accidentally killed in the No 12 Pit Buffery Colliery on the 21st December 1893.

any help appreciated.

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Re: Inquest - Mining death in the Buffery Colliery
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 13 December 09 14:32 GMT (UK) »
I have read the newspaper report in the Birmingham Daily Post which reports on the actual inquest held at the Hare and Hounds Inn stating that James lived at Birmingham Street then going on to give circumstances and findings relating to his death.
Not sure if you have already read this???
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Re: Inquest - Mining death in the Buffery Colliery
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 13 December 09 17:11 GMT (UK) »
First Flutterbye, read the nespaper report referred to, but be aware inquest reports at this period were extremely detailed and graphic. The report should  give the name of the Coroner involved and where he was based. Then go to the archives for that area and ask whether that Coroner's papers have survived. They will be on unrestricted acces for that time (75 year closure), but not many have survived as some years ago I believe they were "weeded"
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Re: Inquest - Mining death in the Buffery Colliery
« Reply #3 on: Monday 14 December 09 07:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Alyson and Redroger

Yes thank you I have now seen the newspaper article, one of the rootschat members sent it to me, I was hoping the article would mention James's wife or children unfortunately it didn't, I was happy all the same.  I didn't realise there maybe a coroners report/papers I will email and see whether they have a copy, this may mention any family left behind.

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Re: Inquest - Mining death in the Buffery Colliery
« Reply #4 on: Monday 14 December 09 15:19 GMT (UK) »
In my experience any family members are unlikely to be mentioned unless they witnessed the accident, which unless he had a relative working with him is unlikely. Also the survival of coroners' records is patchy at best. Good luck anyway.
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Re: Inquest - Mining death in the Buffery Colliery
« Reply #5 on: Monday 14 December 09 17:59 GMT (UK) »
Flutterbye

Is this your James in 1891 census?

Birmingham Street,Dudley
PROBERT
James       60  coal miner
Mary A      52
George     17   .....    ......
John         15   ......   .......
                                               All born Dudley Worcs

Jackie
Dudley Worcs:Ellis Durkin Oakley Rich Smith
Baggot Saunders Turner Williams Hobbs
Harts Hill: Baggot Wright

Tipton:Whitehouse (boatman) Timmins
Yorkshire:Littlewood Wilcockson
Derbyshire:Wilcockson

Derby Belper:Spencer
Herefordshire Brampton Bryan:-Turner

Worcs. Hereford. Gloucs.
Hodgetts




Radnorshire: Meredith
Bristol Somerset: Box

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Re: Inquest - Mining death in the Buffery Colliery
« Reply #6 on: Monday 14 December 09 18:47 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Redroger and Jacquelineve

The reason I wondered about relatives was the discrepancy in his age, James death in 1893 it says he was 73, yet on that particular census he was 60, but the fact both states he was living Birmingham Street it must be him.

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Re: Inquest - Mining death in the Buffery Colliery
« Reply #7 on: Friday 18 December 09 15:47 GMT (UK) »
You seem to have proved the identity satisfactorially, ages may often particularly in Victorian times show fairly heavy discrepencies between sources. The main reason is that particularly 1837 when civil registration began people often had no accurate knowledge of their age within 5 years or so. There were then, as now, people altering their age so that they appeared more reasonable as marriage partners in public records. A case in point my grandparents' marriage certificate (1895) shows him aged 55, and my grandmother aged 35. She was born in June 1859, so her age was correct, he was baptized in 1828, making his age at least 67, and probably from the baptismal dates of his siblings a year or two older.
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Re: Inquest - Mining death in the Buffery Colliery
« Reply #8 on: Monday 15 February 10 17:41 GMT (UK) »
Hi! Flutterbye.
                  I have just joined Roots Web, and come accross your question you asked about the accident to James Probert. well I have been reserching him as he is my great grandfather He married a Mary Ann Allport I have his marriage cert. his children were Sarah Ann Probert George, John and Samuel who was my grandfather I hope that has helped.
           Yours Jacwin