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Re: Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?
« Reply #36 on: Monday 16 November 09 13:41 GMT (UK) »
Marcie - are any of your Fergusons linked to any of your other names at all - or just appeared out of nowhere like mine?

Not aware of any technical issue here today - might be worth flagging up.

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Re: Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?
« Reply #37 on: Monday 16 November 09 13:52 GMT (UK) »
Smoo,
Yes and no,

My grgran Majory Charles Ferguson Mcdonald Brown.  Had a difficult time finding the Charles part, but monicalesl helped get me on the right track.  Then the Halls led me to Forbes which led me to Barron.

Have not quite proved the connection between Barron and Hall or Forbes yet, I have a link missing.  It does not look as is George and Annie had any children.  I have a feeling that servants had to ask the laird or whoever for permission to get married and I am almost positive that they were not expected to have any.  Although in this case I think that they were of an age that it was more unlikely.
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Scotlandorkney flett bell, strickland laird traillcalqahoun.
Lanark/Argyll/Renfrew/Ayr:Smith, Steele,Kirkwood,Hamilton,May,orO'mayscott and anderso, craig , forbes taggart Kirkwood, milloy and steel apart ftom others which are numerous, graham mcilroy. stewart.brown battonisle of sku rothsay etc.
 searl rogers sutherland
Edinburgh/Aberdeen:portsea marsh,brownwhittcomb and others. to numerous to mentionweymouth frank.  Laidlaw,Brown,Dean//Charles/Hall/Slight/Johnston belgium loquet

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Re: Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?
« Reply #38 on: Monday 16 November 09 14:19 GMT (UK) »
So your Mary is listed on later censuses (ie after her marriage) as having been born in Ireland? I have also found a Mary Roberts in 1851, age 14, born Ireland, lodging with a McGuire family at 61 Drygate Glasgow St Mungo district, and working as a Mill Doffer. Interestingly, a Margaret Roberts, age 20, born Ireland, occupation Flax Reeler is lodging at the same address. Perhaps an older sister? I would have to say that I do not see an obvious entry in 1861 for this Mary.

As far as Mary/Matilda is concerned - I really have no idea. Seems odd to call a child Matilda then refer to her as Mary, particularly if you already have a Mary! But who knows without the birth records.

The George born in 1850 is certainly listed as George and Jane's son. And hopefully Henry's son George, will have a birth certificate if you chose to download it at some point. Without the facts, you imagine all sorts of things. ;D Again, the easiest way to find James Ferguson's parents would be to download his birth certificate, rather than speculate.

Just to say in passing - I certainly got a few births for Jane Bailie come up on Irish Roots, so hopefully once you have her death certificate on SP, you will have enough info to find the correct entry. Good luck!
Houston: Midlothian
Roy: Perth & Kinross
Donat, Midlothian+Glasgow
O'Shea: Glasgow+Dublin
Kennedy, Murrie: Ayr
Drummond: Tyneside

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Re: Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?
« Reply #39 on: Monday 16 November 09 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Smoo, I hope that comment about not speculating did not come across as rather short or downright rude. I did not mean it in that way, but I know that, in writing, some things can come across in a way you did not intend. No offence meant!
Houston: Midlothian
Roy: Perth & Kinross
Donat, Midlothian+Glasgow
O'Shea: Glasgow+Dublin
Kennedy, Murrie: Ayr
Drummond: Tyneside


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Re: Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?
« Reply #40 on: Monday 16 November 09 15:51 GMT (UK) »
No offence taken, Karen, I know what you mean.  I am just going through all possibilities so that I can try various searches in the hope of finding the truth :O)

Interesting about Jane Baillie on Irish roots -   I see there is a Jane Bailey (spelling I have varies on different certs anyway) in Co Antrim in 1816, the DOB I have for her. Can't find a George Roberts but I see that a lot of records from Antrim & Down are not yet online so will wait and see if they turn anything up when available.

Thanks for the info about Mary & Margaret Roberts in 1851- not sure if it's relevant at all but will keep it in mind.

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Re: Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?
« Reply #41 on: Saturday 21 November 09 20:01 GMT (UK) »
Just want to say a HUGE thanks to K44ENF who has sent me loads of information about my Roberts branch, she's a true gem  :-*

Marcie - the James Ferguson I have is the illegitimate child of Elizabeth Roberts (not Baillie as I put in by mistake!!) and Peter Ferguson - full name James Baillie Ferguson DOB 18 August 1858  Father's address given as New Dalmarnock Road, Glasgow. 
Elizabeth later married John Boyd in 1860 but by 1886 she was using the name Malcolmson.  James may have used any of these surnames (including Roberts under which he was originally recorded).
I just thought this may be of interest, in case you have any links to one of those  in your tree.

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Edited for name error ::)

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Re: Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?
« Reply #42 on: Saturday 21 November 09 20:35 GMT (UK) »
Darn - just realised Elizabeth Roberts cannot have been mother of James Ferguson as she married a John Boyd in 1860 - and I have that marriage cert.
Back to the drawing board for Ferguson..... :(
I meant to say that I have not found the connection to the name ferguson all the names I mentioned seemed to be through the female line to the men they married.  So I either have to try the direct male line to find the female they married or try John Hutcheon and see if I can find his mother or his mothers parents.?  To try and connect to the name ferguson
marcie
Scotlandorkney flett bell, strickland laird traillcalqahoun.
Lanark/Argyll/Renfrew/Ayr:Smith, Steele,Kirkwood,Hamilton,May,orO'mayscott and anderso, craig , forbes taggart Kirkwood, milloy and steel apart ftom others which are numerous, graham mcilroy. stewart.brown battonisle of sku rothsay etc.
 searl rogers sutherland
Edinburgh/Aberdeen:portsea marsh,brownwhittcomb and others. to numerous to mentionweymouth frank.  Laidlaw,Brown,Dean//Charles/Hall/Slight/Johnston belgium loquet