Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?

[shanew147]

......He gave his occupation as Flour miller on application form for the DUP Irish police in 1884.....

should that be DMP ? (Dublin Metropolitan Police )



Shane

[Pastmagic]

Yes Shane,

You are totally correct! DMP as in Dublin Metroplitan Police. Must be computer fatigue...there are so many interesting postings on this site.....

Thanks for all your help today...

[K44ENF]

Smoo, the following entry appears in Ancestry's 1851 census transcription -

George Roberts, age 42, born Ireland, occupation hand loom weaver
Jane Roberts (Bailie), age 36, born Ireland, occupation pern winder
John Roberts, age 19, born Ireland, occupation Blue Dyer
Henry Roberts, age 15, born Ireland, apprenticed to Cotton Printer
Eliza Roberts, age 13, born Ireland, Worker in Printfield(dodgy transcription?)
Mary Roberts, age 8, born Glasgow
George Roberts, age 1, born Glasgow
Elizabeth Bailie, mother-in-law, age 72, Not Able to Work

Family living at No 2 Franklin Street, Calton.

I wonder whether it is possible that the family had two daughters called Mary? The one born late 1830s may not have made it.

I don't mean to sound callous, but if you are lucky enough to have the mother-in-law die in Scotland, then you will get her parents names too! 

[K44ENF]

And in 1861 still in Calton, 3 London Road, Bridgeton:

George Roberto(! presumably Roberts), age 54, Mason's Labourer
Jane Roberto, age 50
Henry Roberto, age 25, Mason's Labourer
Mary Roberto, age 18, Bleachfield Worker
George Roberto, age 6 (another George?), born Glasgow
James Ferguson, age 2, Grandson, born Glasgow

Karen

[K44ENF]

In 1871 Henry is head of the household at 15 Hozier St, Bridgeton, possibly indicating that the father, George, had died during the previous decade:

Henry Roberts, age 37, Labourer in Print Work
Jane Roberts, age 61, Mother
John Roberts, age 40, Labourer in Dye Work
George Roberts, age 5, born Glasgow, listed as Henry's son

None of this tells you where they came from in Ireland, but do not lose heart! You will find out one day. Perhaps Santa will bring you more SP credits for Christmas.

Karen

[Smoo]

Oh dear - this gets even more confusing.

But one thing I know for sure is that the Mary born in 1839 DID survive - because she married my gg-grandfather in 1865.  She is also noted as being born in Ireland. Perhaps at age 12 she was not at home?  I know young girls could go into service from the age of 10 in those days.

The Elizabeth Baillie that I have was noted as age 25 in the 1841 census - I thought it may have been Jane's sister (possibly twin as Jane was the same age), but at 72 this is just too much of a difference to be the same one.

Hopefully she will have a death record in Scotland and, as you say, may have parents on it - fingers crossed!

Is it possible that the Matilda born in 1841 got called Mary? There is a discrepancy of a couple of years but that's no big deal.

I didn't know of a George, but I haven't looked into the children's children apart from Mary's. Do you think the one in 1851 could be a different George from the 1871 son of Henry's?   Because in 1851 Henry would only have been 15-17 although I suppose it's still possible that George is his son (randy lot my family were, lol)

I will need to find out where Ferguson comes in - I think only the daughter Eliza could be the mother, she would be 22 when he was born.  I know for sure he's not Mary's and can't think of any other option.

Thank you so much for this info Karen - while it may seem confusing to me right now, at least I have a few more avenues open to explore and hopefully can turn something up that pulls the jigsaw together a bit!

I actually ended up buying a few SP credits last night - will try to use them more sensibly this time :O)

Much appreciated!

[Smoo]

Darn - just realised Elizabeth Roberts cannot have been mother of James Ferguson as she married a John Boyd in 1860 - and I have that marriage cert.

Back to the drawing board for Ferguson.....

On a brighter note, there IS a death record for George Roberts in Bridgeton in 1870 so that would make sense why Henry is head in 1871.  Haven't got the cert yet so still no parents' names for the Ireland connection.  But by process of elimination, there is only one of them, thank goodness!

Why oh why do you only ever have 5 SP credits left when you need 6?!  Why isn't there a way of skipping the list grid when there is only one result - I KNOW it is the one I want!

[Smoo]

And I may have a death for the mother-in-law Elizabeth Baillie too - 1858 in Calton - again the only one for the range of years.

I wonder who the Elizabeth Baillie age 25 in 1841 is then? Is it possible the 2 is actually meant to be a 6 as she would be 62 or so then?  I haven't seen the original, just got it on FreeCen.

8-/

[marcie dean]

I also have Ferguson in my tree, but have not found what the connection is.
marcie.

I am sure that I have already sent this.  Must be a problem do you think....  Should I alert Bob d'you think?