Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?

[elaine447]

Marriages probably wont help either
they are all in the 1860's but you never know if we put them here maybe
someone else descending from the family who does know may be able to help
I think these may be your famillies marriages
from IGI
Henry Roberts married Elizabeth Cowan 17/1/1861
Henry Roberts .............Mary Flinn............5/5/1866
Elizabeth Roberts.........John Boyd ...........20/4/1860
John Roberts................Margaret McDade 2/6/1865
Elaine

[Smoo]

Thanks for that Elaine!  They are indeed correct - I was just having a look at the IGI too :O)
For some reason I previously thought I had had Henry's marriage in 1861, can't remember why, but now I am finding those 2 for him as well! No clues as to which one is correct by the names unfortunately, but the Boyd that Elizabeth married is later used as a middle name (at least once, I think maybe twice) by his sister Mary for her children, a rather odd habit I think, like I said before  

Just hope someone else recognises one of them and can maybe shed some light on this.

Many thanks again for this - I really appreciate your help!

[Maggie1895]

It was only as an infant in 1841 that I found her. No record in 1851 or later, so I looked for deaths but there isn't anything.

I'm really sorry to say this but though the Aunt heading off with Matilda is a possibility it's more likely that Matilda didn't survive till 1851.   Living conditions in the Gorbals were not good.

My great-great Uncle Thomas died of consumption at the age of 7 - mining family, also Lanarkshire.    I knew from the family story he existed, he shows in the 1851 census as a baby and because he died in 1857 there is was a death registered, which I found on SP.   It even tells me where he is buried - Wellwynd Churchyard in Airdrie.

No parish records, and believe me I have looked, sat in the Mitchell winding through every page, and no record of the burial because almost certainly it would have been a pauper's grave.   As they are now happily building a car park there, no further trace will ever be found.     The only route left was the Parish Relief, because there was probably a request for help with the funeral costs - and those record have been lost.  I think you have a good chance at the Mitchell for finding those from the Gorbals.

The only reason I know what happened to Thomas is because registration after 1855 compelled it.     If he had died on or before 1854 he would have vanished without a trace.

Although you obviously want to go on looking, and good on you, I really do hope you find something, I think there is a possibility that Matilda may have died before 1851, and no record exists for you to find - apart possibly from an application for relief.

I really do hope you prove me wrong!
Maggie 1895

[Smoo]

I kinda thought that anyway Maggie - not to worry, it's just not knowing for sure that she died, or being able to find a record if it,  that annoys me! 
I know there was a high infant mortality rate in the 19th century as I used to be a museum tour guide and one of the visitor attractions was all about the housing & general living conditions for mining life between 1710 & 1840 :O)

Besides, I have plenty of other family members causing me enough of a headache as it is, lol

Smoo

PS  thanks for the idea about financial help for a funeral - will get round to looking into that

[marcie dean]

As Elaine mentioned the best bet is to get whatever details you can from Scottish certs. I know for example that some Scottish birth certs (not sure when this commenced though..) contains marriage date and place for parents. Are there other details that could relate to Ireland on marriage or death certs ?

other details, like occupations of Irish fathers can sometimes give a clue to possible locations..
Could you explain a little further.  As I have never been to ireland and have no idea of trade to counties with a few exceptions such Waterford Crystal. Or what areas are known for.
marcie



Shane

[shanew147]

As Elaine mentioned the best bet is to get whatever details you can from Scottish certs. I know for example that some Scottish birth certs (not sure when this commenced though..) contains marriage date and place for parents. Are there other details that could relate to Ireland on marriage or death certs ?

other details, like occupations of Irish fathers can sometimes give a clue to possible locations..

Shane

Could you explain a little further.  As I have never been to ireland and have no idea of trade to counties with a few exceptions such Waterford Crystal. Or what areas are known for.
marcie

I dont have a specific list done, it would require researching the individual occupations and timeframe, and obviously many (farmer, labourer etc) dont really provide any location clues

Also details on certain trades & occupation can be found in early  directories...e.g. Slater's, Pigot's etc


Shane

[marcie dean]

PS  thanks for the idea about financial help for a funeral - will get round to looking into that 

Hi Smoo, Maggie,
Is if possible to have a little more information on this. My uncle was placed into a paupers grave in Edinburgh, that would have been about 1932.  Have not yet looked for his records, but will do soon.
marcie

[marcie dean]

Thanks Shane,
Understand a little better, will check the census details and find his occupation and have a go at finding him that way.  All his children were born in Ireland, so I do not have the benifit of a child born in Scotland stating the parents Irish county of origin.  So this would be helpful to me, I hope
marcie

[Pastmagic]

Anyone got any info on Irish Flour mills or millers in the Glasgow area. I am trying to find a birth record for Willian Byrne born Glasgow St. Marys some time around 1860-68.
Have tried scottishpeople database but no luck. He gave his occupation as Flour miller on application form for the DUP Irish police in 1884. His father was John Byrne also a flour miller. Even general info on flour mills Glasgow may be of help.