Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?

[elaine447]

if you are lucky enough to find a child born 1855 to
an Irish parent this is what is on the cert
this one the mother was born in Coleraine
Elaine

[K44ENF]

Hi Smoo,

I don't know where you are located, but I wanted to mention the poor relief records held in the Mitchell Library in Glasgow. That is the only way I found out where some of my Irish branches came from. Sometimes those records contain a considerable amount of information.

Karen

[Smoo]

The eldest child in the family was actually born 1831. 
Thanks for the Emerald Ancestors link - excellent site but I'm afraid I can't find mine there, have tried the marriage and all the siblings' births too but found no records that are early enough to be any of them 
No luck with Irish Roots either but, again, thank you.

All these great sites I never knew about.
Just no ggg-grandparents!

Karen - that is fab!  Must try and get up for a look at those - a working class family arriving in Glasgow with 4 children may have needed some form of help one way or another.  I'm just over an hour from Glasgow - can just never seem to get time off work for these things.  I am such a novice at this too, I could waste days.... at least if I know what I am looking for before I go, my time could be spent more usefully :O)

Thanks again, everybody, for your help!

Smoo
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[Maggie1895]

Smoo,
Karen is absolutely right about the Mitchell.   I went there looking for Poor Relief records for Airdrie, but they haven't survived.
There are a lot of records that have survived though, so good luck.
You can also go upstairs and look through all the old parish records, and you never know, there might be a nugget there for you around the birth of the last child in Glasgow.
Maggie

[elaine447]

Smoo
if you have the childrens marriage cert why not post some of the names
and dates although their marriage cert wont say where they came from
it may help to find children born to them
that may give some clues
Elaine

[Smoo]

Hi Elaine,

That's a good idea.
I already have the children's names - John, Henry, Elizabeth and Mary ROBERTS born Ireland between 1831 and 1839, youngest Matilda born Glasgow 1841 from a census. Parents George Roberts and Jean, ms. Baillie - no marriage for them as it would have been in Ireland.

I don't have all the children's marriage records yet - only Mary who is my gg-grandmother, married in Glasgow 1865 and there is no clue on that one, although it's where I got the parents' names from. 

I am reluctant to look for others as I fear I might just find the same thing.  I have already spent a fortune on SP - and wasted most of it!    But I shall certainly keep it in mind next time I am feeling flush, or visiting anywhere useful - thanks!

[Smoo]

OK, by logical deduction, I think I have narrowed down all the options and found children's marrriage years on SP - except for Matilda who I cannot trace at all, not even a death, either OPR or Stat.  Most peculiar - unlness there is something I haven't thought of..... which is more than likely!!

[Maggie1895]

I hope I'm wrong, but is there a possibility that Matilda didn't make it to the formal records in 1855?   If she died as a small child you might not find the record.   You said you found Matilda's details from a census, was that the 1851 census?  If so, is she still shown in 1861?   If she is then at least a childhood death is ruled out.
Hopefully it's just that she wasn't too fond of her name, and all her later records were listed as something else
Maggie 1895

[Smoo]

Hi Maggie,

It was only as an infant in 1841 that I  found her. No record in 1851 or later, so I looked for deaths but there isn't anything.

In 1841 there was an aunt (mother's sister, possibly twin, same birth year) also living with the family.  I can't find any later record for her either so I wonder if she maybe moved away and took Matilda - possibly married and using a different name by 1851.  I can't imagine why this would be the case though.  I have tried FreeCen for any Elizabeth born in Ireland in the 1851 census but there's nothing there either!

Good thought about the name thing - but I can't think for the life of me what else you would call Matilda?  I've already tried Mattie/y. Maddie, Mat*, Tillie/ey/y etc, all to no avail. 

I think I need to give up on this one and concentrate on some more direct lines, unfortunately.   I don't like leaving things incomplete but I'm totally stumped on this.  I suppose I better get used to it, eh?? lol