Tracing Irish who came to Scotland 1840 - ?

[Smoo]

Sorry if this has been asked loads before but I am overwhelmed by the amount of information here and already confused!

I am trying to find out where abouts in Ireland my family came from to settle in Glasgow.  It was approx 1839 - 1841 (because 2nd youngest child born 1839 in Ireland but youngest child born 1841 in Glasgow), which seems to be before most Irish records are available.  I assume they would not be rich enough to own land as they came to work in the cotton mills and lived in the Gorbals.  I am fairly certain they would not be Catholic as their children were married in either the Scottish Episcopal Church or Church of Scotland in later years.

All the records I can find show them as born in Ireland but I cannot find any where a county is mentioned.  I have even tried looking for older family they may have left behind but with such common names as Roberts and Baillie, I think I could have a long and possibly fruitless search on my hands!

I wondered if there would be immigration lists but cannot seem to find anything that early.

Can anyone point me in the right direction please, if such research is possible!?

[marcie dean]

Hi Smoo,
I have the same problem.  On the record for my family it just stated Ireland without a county to go on; and my understanding is that Irish records are difficult to find.  I have asked for pointers and have joined an Irish Genealogy site.
So I hope that you do not mind if I tag along on this one.  I think I found my family in 1841 in Renfrew but I am unable to confirm they are connected to my known family.  So I wish you luck in your research and watch with bated breath on advice given.
My family also came to Lanark and surrounding areas.
Marjorie

[shanew147]

Sorry if this has been asked loads before but I am overwhelmed by the amount of information here and already confused!

I am trying to find out where abouts in Ireland my family came from to settle in Glasgow.  It was approx 1939 - 1941 (because 2nd youngest child born 1939 in Ireland but youngest child born 1841 in Glasgow), which seems to be before most Irish records are available.  I assume they would not be rich enough to own land as they came to work in the cotton mills and lived in the Gorbals.  I am fairly certain they would not be Catholic as their children were married in either the Scottish Episcopal Church or Church of Scotland in later years.

All the records I can find show them as born in Ireland but I cannot find any where a county is mentioned.  I have even tried looking for older family they may have left behind but with such common names as Roberts and Baillie, I think I could have a long and possibly fruitless search on my hands!

I wondered if there would be immigration lists but cannot seem to find anything that early.

Can anyone point me in the right direction please, if such research is possible!?

unfortunatly you need to know where your family originated, and their religion to even start parish record searches. You may find possible locations for any family members that remained in Ireland behind on Griffiths valuation which was taken in the 1850s/60s - see : http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml

there will be no Immigration listes - we were all part of the UK at that stage.

p.s. you might want to have a look at the dates in your post - you seem to have a bit of a mix-up of centuries...


Shane

[Smoo]

Oops - of course you are right Shane!  Now corrected - thanks :O)

Marcie - fingers, toes, eyes, knees and teeth crossed that there is some information out there somewhere to help us!!   

[elaine447]

I had the same problem with my family
but thankfully a couple of the family had children in 1855
that years birth certs gives the place of birth for the parents
so I was able to find out that they came from Dunboe
so keep looking you never know what will turn up
Good Luck
Elaine

[shanew147]

As Elaine mentioned the best bet is to get whatever details you can from Scottish certs. I know for example that some Scottish birth certs (not sure when this commenced though..) contains marriage date and place for parents. Are there other details that could relate to Ireland on marriage or death certs ?

other details, like occupations of Irish fathers can sometimes give a clue to possible locations..



Shane

[Maggie1895]

Smoo,
I have exactly the same problem and the same frustrations: formal complete records starting in 1855 and tracing the Irish into Glasgow route of the 1840s seems well night impossible when you know your family were pretty poor.

The only success I had was to try and search Irish marriages - if you know one child was born in 1839 in Ireland then the marriage presumably took place before that, and the marriage listings give their father's name.  I had no luck at all with finding birth records.

The one marriage I found was on a site call emeraldancestors.com

Good luck, Maggie 1895

[shanew147]

As far as I know the Emerald Ancestors web-site Maggie 1895 mentioned holds mostly Northern Ireland records. There is also the Irish Family History Foundation pay-webiste (www.irish-roots.ie) which has RC, CofI and other parish records for many Irish counties.


Shane

[Maggie1895]

Sorry, Shane's quite right.
The records I've found were from Antrim, I should have made that clear.

Maggie