Parents of Ann Collyer b. abt 1825 in Melbourne

[malw77]

Hi! I'm trying to find the parents of Ann Collyer b. abt 1825 in Melbourne. She married William Tivey in Dec 1844 in Melbourne, and according to the certificate her father was James Collyer, shoemaker. I can only find one James Collyer in Melbourne in the 1841 census who was a shoemaker; he was married to Anna and had several children, but no Ann, who I haven't yet been able to trace in 1841.

In later censuses I can only find James and Hannah Collyer, not James and Anna, so I'm thinking that maybe Anna was a spelling error, and it should have been Hannah? However, that doesn't help me to prove that they are Ann's parents.

On Family Search I found the birth of William Collyer on 8 Jan 1801 in Melbourne, parents James Collyer and Hannah Peat. I'm wondering if they are the James and Hannah I found in the censuses and if they could also be the parents of Ann Collyer, though Hannah would have been about 47 when she had Ann. William was a shoemaker in 1841 and later.

I've been in touch with the Derbyshire Records Office but they couldn't find a baptism/christening record for Ann Collyer in the 1820s, only William Collyer in 1801.

I've now reached a brickwall and thought I might ask on these forums for any suggestions, or if someone knows anything about the Collyers of Melbourne.

Thank you!   

Mal

[NigelC]

Hannah Collyer is listed in the Parish Council cemetery records as being aged 82 when she died in 1861. She was listed as being the wife of James Collyer and buried in plot 1005, she is listed as living in 'New York' a now demolished area in the town. She was buried on 3rd July 1861.

There was an Ann Jane Collyer who died aged 63 in January 1890 plot 536 that could match?

Ann Tivey buried 8th November 1897 aged 71 of Victoria Street Melbourne plot 1286 is perhaps a better bet.

William Tivey buried 13th May 1886 aged 65 plot 1281 was listed a a 'Merchant' the plot numbers are close together, and the numbering at Melbourne is not always sequential.

[Gardener]

This site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~blanchec/EMidBaps.htm
has baptist records transcribed. As you said, William is a loner but there are other Collyer family groups.
You could try looking at Baptist chaples in the surrounding area. Or, in case the parents change to C of E or other non-denominational then try them. Since she doesn't seem to be in the IGI you could try looking at places that are not on the IGI - though that is tricky if you are working long distance.
Have you tried looking for the children of James/Ann that you find in the 1841 census? Are they baptised anywhere?
Do the witnesses for the Collyer/Tivey marriage help at all?

(Sorry if you have tried all these!)

[malw77]

Hi! Thanks for the replies

Hannah Collyer is listed in the Parish Council cemetery records as being aged 82 when she died in 1861. She was listed as being the wife of James Collyer and buried in plot 1005, she is listed as living in 'New York' a now demolished area in the town. She was buried on 3rd July 1861.

I have the death certificate for Hannah Collyer. She did indeed die in 1861, on 1st July, in Moira Street, New York, Melbourne, of "Old age". It states she was the wife of James Collyer, Cordwainer, and the informant was Hannah Chetwyn who was present at the death. I found Hannah Chetwyn in the 1861, aged 50. She lived with her family in Hastings Street, New York, Melbourne, but I can't find a connection other than being a friend and neighbour. I do wish that they had shown the maiden name of females on death certificates, as they do now, it would be so much help!

Ann Tivey buried 8th November 1897 aged 71 of Victoria Street Melbourne plot 1286 is perhaps a better bet.

William Tivey buried 13th May 1886 aged 65 plot 1281 was listed a a 'Merchant' the plot numbers are close together, and the numbering at Melbourne is not always sequential.

Ann Collyer Tivey died on 3 Nov 1897 and was buried in Pack Horse Road Cemetery along with her husband William. I visited there a few years ago and have a photograph of the headstone. William was a Machine Builder or Warp Machine Maker in all the census records, so not sure where 'Merchant' comes from.

To Gardener: I had already looked into the witnesses of Ann Collyer and William Tivey's marriage, but they didn't help with Ann as they were both from the Tivey family - Thomas Tivey, William's younger brother, and Sarah Grice nee Tivey, William's older half-sister. They were married in the Parish Church of Melbourne, but not sure if that's any help with where Ann herself was christened. Derbyshire Records Office didn't find anything in their research for me.

I've searched the IGI but there are no christenings or births for any of James and Hannah's children, and they may not even be Ann's parents! Unfortunately I didn't find anything on the website you sent me the link to, apart from the birth/baptism of William Collyer b.1801, and all his children. I'm not sure where I go from here.   

Thanks again for your help!

Mal

[Tom Piper]

Hi

The Derby Mercury Wednesday, September 8, 1830


    LAND AND HOUSES
AT KING’S NEWTON & MELBOURNE

TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION BY Mr. RICKARD
At the house of Mrs. Warren, the New Inn, in Melbourne, in the county of derby, on Monday the 20th day of September instant, at 5 o’clock in the evening precisely, subject to such conditions as shall be then produced;
LOT 1
All that close of ancient inclosed Freehold Land, situate at King’s Newton, in the county of Derby, called Middle Blakemore, containing one acre and two roods or thereabouts, in the occupation of James Collyer.


According to Derby Mercury: Wednesday, July 4, 1866

On Wednesday 27th ult., at Melbourne, Mr. James Collyer in his 95th year of his age.

In 1825, according to the same newspaper, there was a Joseph Tivey, George Tivey and james Tivey, living in Melbourne.

Tom

[malw77]

Hi Tom!

Thanks for the info, it's very interesting. Does the Derby Mercury have online access to its archives? Many of my ancestors lived in Melbourne, so it would be great to be able to find out more about them.

Thanks again for taking the time to find the articles.

Mal   

[Tom Piper]

Mal


The answer is yes, have sent you a PM.

Tom

[juljul]

Hi

The Derby Mercury Wednesday, September 8, 1830


    LAND AND HOUSES
AT KING’S NEWTON & MELBOURNE

TO BE SOLD BY AUCTION BY Mr. RICKARD
At the house of Mrs. Warren, the New Inn, in Melbourne, in the county of derby, on Monday the 20th day of September instant, at 5 o’clock in the evening precisely, subject to such conditions as shall be then produced;
LOT 1
All that close of ancient inclosed Freehold Land, situate at King’s Newton, in the county of Derby, called Middle Blakemore, containing one acre and two roods or thereabouts, in the occupation of James Collyer.


According to Derby Mercury: Wednesday, July 4, 1866

On Wednesday 27th ult., at Melbourne, Mr. James Collyer in his 95th year of his age.

In 1825, according to the same newspaper, there was a Joseph Tivey, George Tivey and james Tivey, living in Melbourne.

Tom

Hi All

Just found this thread and noticed the reference(s) to Peat [Hannah Peat].

I am also following a Peat line that looks to have originated in Melbourne, Derby.  I am thinking the Mrs Warren mentioned in this newspaper article might have been Mrs Catherine Warren [nee Peat] or it would be an uncanny coincidence if not so   Is there anyone who can anyone confirm that Mrs Warren was Catherine [nee Peat] and also if she was the daughter of William and Ann Peat and grand-daughter of William and Catherine Peat.

My Peat lot ended up in Fulwood, Upper Hallam, and also Dore [Derbyshire...but was very close to Fulwood]. 

Just wondering if anyone else reading or contributing to this thread is following the line of William and Catherine [nee Turner] Peat and their descendants.

Thanks..

Regards
Jules
 

[Tom Piper]

Jules,

Throughout the 19th century, The New Inn, at Melbourne, was used by various auction houses as to the venue at to which to sell property. The Inn was also used to hold inquests, and meetings of all sorts, all reported in the Derby Mercury. For a long time the Inn was owned by the Warren family.

In 1811, on 30th April, a sale was advertised  at the New Inn Melbourne, the house of a James Warren.

On Wednesday, March 26, 1823, the newspaper advertised:

TO BE SOLD by Auction at the house of Mrs. Ann Warren, the New Inn, in Melbourne, in the County of Derby, on Wednesday 2nd of April next at 3 0’clock in the afternoon, in such lots as shall be agreed…….various lots of property.

In 1832, the New Inn was known as Mrs. Warren’s.

On Wednesday 17, 1841, a marriage was announced between Samuel Warren of the New Inn, Melbourne and Fanny Gregory, daughter of a local farmer in Stanton.

On Wednesday, September 22, 1875, Messrs Oliver, Newbold, and Oliver respectfully give notice that they are instructed by Mr. Warren of the New Inn, Melbourne (who is retiring) to Sell by Auction, on the premises, the 27th and 28th September, 1875 the whole of the contents of the said Inn.

However, after Mr. Warren's retirement the Inn is still used to hold auctions.

I can't find a connection between Catherine Warren and the Peat family, however there are numerous reports regarding the Peat surname in Melbourne, Alderwasley, and Duffield. Even that area of land sold at the New Inn in 1830, seems to be mentioned earlier in possession of a Joseph Peat, it was sold at the White Hart Inn, Duffield in 1805.

Tom