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Re: missing death record
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 14 November 09 17:30 GMT (UK) »
Regardless of where a person died, the death would have to be reported in the normal manner and would show on Scotlands People  :)

Susy, there is a new(ish!) site http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable to let you search for BMDs post the start of official registration in Ireland. Why don't you ask for help on the General Ireland board?

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Re: missing death record
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 15 November 09 20:27 GMT (UK) »
hi Monica,

I think I might do that!  I'll take a look on the site you suggested first and see if that throws up any new information.  Margarets death has to be recorded somewhere!  Thanks again for your help.

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Re: missing death record
« Reply #11 on: Monday 16 November 09 11:09 GMT (UK) »
Hi Monica,
Can I ask, what happens with regards murdered victims, whom possibly cannot be recognised.  Do the records get treated in the same manner.?  I know they are treated differently (corpses) possibly buried as Jane/John Doe and numbered?  Do they still go into the local graveyard or do the police in Scotland have a separate area for these people.

My uncle went missing years ago now, moved back to scotland never to be seen again.  Tried Salvation Army and my gr uncle jimmy went to the police to try and identify a corpse but could not be certain so we never claimed him.
marcie
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Re: missing death record
« Reply #12 on: Monday 16 November 09 13:32 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, Marcie - no idea what happens in these types of cases and how deaths are reported when bodies have not been formally identified  :-\ I would imagine that there would be formal records of deaths where identities had not been established - as to who keeps and maintains these, I do not know.

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Re: missing death record
« Reply #13 on: Monday 16 November 09 14:06 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for replying anyway.

My nan had just lost my grandad, and my grandads brother was doing the search for him.  I actually think they did find him, but for the sake of my nan they did not say.  I do not think that she could have taken it.
This year my mum told me that the police had found a headless corpse, which my grt uncle tried to identify.  it had two scars one on  either archiles heel where he went through a glass door, and his blood group is one of those which is rare.  So I think that he is dead.

marcie
Scotlandorkney flett bell, strickland laird traillcalqahoun.
Lanark/Argyll/Renfrew/Ayr:Smith, Steele,Kirkwood,Hamilton,May,orO'mayscott and anderso, craig , forbes taggart Kirkwood, milloy and steel apart ftom others which are numerous, graham mcilroy. stewart.brown battonisle of sku rothsay etc.
 searl rogers sutherland
Edinburgh/Aberdeen:portsea marsh,brownwhittcomb and others. to numerous to mentionweymouth frank.  Laidlaw,Brown,Dean//Charles/Hall/Slight/Johnston belgium loquet

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Re: missing death record
« Reply #14 on: Thursday 31 December 09 21:50 GMT (UK) »
Monica,

From Crown Office Notes of November 1998:

The Procurator Fiscal has a right and a duty to control the disposal of a dead body while he makes enquiries into the death. Depending upon the circumstances he may decide to leave the body where the death occurred, eg at home or in a hospital. He may decide to have the body removed to a police or hospital mortuary or a specially designated mortuary. He will require to decide in every case whether he will accept a medical certificate as to the cause of death and release the body, or whether an autopsy is necessary. When releasing a body the Procurator Fiscal requires to decide whether cremation may be allowed to take place. There may be circumstances, for example a homicide investigation where the Procurator Fiscal cannot allow cremation to take place as it would lead to the destruction of evidence available from the body. If the Procurator Fiscal has no objections in principle to a cremation, the matter then becomes one for the Medical Referee to decide.

In every case in which (a) there is a possibility that the death was caused or contributed to by the commission of a criminal act, or (b) there is a possibility of criminal proceedings in which it will be necessary to prove the fact and cause of death, an autopsy must be carried out by two pathologists.

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I suggest that a search of the Sheriff Court records might find details of the investigation or Fatal Accident Enquiry.

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Re: missing death record
« Reply #15 on: Friday 01 January 10 14:54 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Murray - that was very informative  :)

Monica
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Re: missing death record
« Reply #16 on: Saturday 02 January 10 17:22 GMT (UK) »
Thank you Murray,

I did not think that I would get any answers to this in all honesty.  He has been gone for over 23 yrs.  If he was still alive, he has missed the death of his father about 22 yrs ago, and more recently 15yrs now his own mother.  He never went that long without contacting her.

So after the hols... I will try the Sherriffs office or maybe ask my cousin Allan if he could do this for me.
Alec was his 2nd cousin after all, he may come up with something that I may otherwise miss.

marcie
I think he was buried as a John Doe.  But I do not know where in Edinburgh.
Scotlandorkney flett bell, strickland laird traillcalqahoun.
Lanark/Argyll/Renfrew/Ayr:Smith, Steele,Kirkwood,Hamilton,May,orO'mayscott and anderso, craig , forbes taggart Kirkwood, milloy and steel apart ftom others which are numerous, graham mcilroy. stewart.brown battonisle of sku rothsay etc.
 searl rogers sutherland
Edinburgh/Aberdeen:portsea marsh,brownwhittcomb and others. to numerous to mentionweymouth frank.  Laidlaw,Brown,Dean//Charles/Hall/Slight/Johnston belgium loquet

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Re: missing death record
« Reply #17 on: Friday 22 January 10 12:44 GMT (UK) »
Search completed.  Record found in N.I.