ST.Pauls Parish,rickergate,cumberland. marriage 1862/3

[Geoff-E]

According to my research Alexander was the 4th and last of their children unless someone has better information.

Hi ldevaney, welcome to Rootschat

If you read the thread again, you'll find that I suggested there were two earlier sons who were around in the 1861 census (Robert W 2, James 6m) but died early in 1862. 

[emmsthheight]

Hi Idlevaney

Welcome to Rootschat!

You'll get loads of help here.  I have!

Also, once you have three messages posted you can use the personal messaging system to contact members directly without having to publish your email address.

If you reply to this and have one more post you might both be able to exchange information directly.

By the way, I think like Goeffe said, the marriage certificate would be a real boon. 

Enjoy Rootschat!

Emms

[Geoff-E]

Also, once you have three messages posted you can use the personal messaging system to contact members directly ....

That is a constantly recurring myth - two posts is quite enough

[emmsthheight]

Ah, right!

I'd heard three and a couiple of times People had problems after two so I assumed it was right.

Maybe we just didn't leave long enough after the second for it to go through?  Anyway, if it'll be useful, try it!

Best wishes

Emms

[ldevaney]

Thanks for the encouragement.  I read the earlier posts and unless I missed something the issue of this Bates line going back to Ireland was not resolved or was it?  My own view for what it is worth is that it would be a huge coincidence if two unrelated Bates families were sharing a Youngs Ln property in the 1871 census.  Therefore my assumption is that the two John Bates are father and son.  Or does someone have information that resolves this issue?

[Geoff-E]

I see in 1861, the elder John BATES had sons
Thomas 18 Ireland
Alexander 14 Carlisle

and in 1851 they included
John 13 Ireland
Thomas 9 Ireland
Alexander 4 Carlisle

[blubelle]

Hi all

Just a few more clues for you.  I am tracing the line for Thomas Bates b.1843 Ireland who had brothers John, Alexander and sister Eleanor.  I sent for Alexander's birth cert and parents are listed as John Bates, Labourer and Ann Bates (nee Gilchrist) both born Ireland - Alexander was born 17.1.1847 at Old Whippery Lane, Rickergate.
Not sure now how to find the marriage or Thomas's birth in Ireland as no idea which part of the country they came from - any suggestions?

I also have marriage certificate for Thomas Bates to Mary Thompson 4.10.1873.  Thomas was a widower at this time so on a previous thread the name of Mary Henderson came up, so its likely this was Thomas's first wife.  Witnesses T. Hutton and Margaret McCollins (possibly Mary's sister?)
Mary and Thomas lived at Milbourne Street, Carlisle.
Mary Thompson's father was James Thompson (farmer) deceased at the time of the wedding.

BluBelle

[emmsthheight]

Hi

All I know about this is it's a long hawl when your relatives came over at this stae.  Looking at everything, even if you don't think it will be any use!

I have struck lucky though, in couple of places.

Have you got all the census entries for every member of the family you can find?  Occasionally someone gives them away.  I'm gradually getting back to Louth via Dublin!  Even look at people with the some name and family names in the area.  If you come across any skills, in our case, all things leather and horse, follow those.

I've been luck with a friend's.  If you find any early RC register entries, =- mid 19C - some of them have a different table, and give the home in Ireland of the parents and even the odd witness or godparent.  If you have any entries from the GRO for this perid, you might be able to get the entry for the church from the library in the Lanes or the Record Office in Carlisle Castle.

Just a few ideas.

Best wishes

Emms

[blubelle]

Hi Emms

Thanks for the advice, I know this part is going to be a lot tougher.  Yes got most of the census info I can find.

Did a general search on Gilchrist and there seem to be a lot in Scotland, so wonder if they came over from Ireland or whether it was the other way at some point.

I'll keep digging and see what comes up.

Bluebelle