William Cornwell

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That seems likely thanks Rosie, and therefore effectively elimates him from the case.

[bedfordshire boy]

Now we know for what it was worth that William was living in the parish of Bottisham at the time of his marriage, but for how long and where did he originate?

Rhetorical question I assume

Sometimes you have to look laterally.

You say that William and Ann had a son Philip, although I can find no evidence of this*. But there was also a Philip Cornwell baptised in Bottisham in 1792**, son of Edward and Elizabeth (other baptisms at around this time describe him as Edmund). It's a big coincidence that there should have been two Philips born within a short time of each other. Were William and Edward/Edmund connected? Brothers even? Possibly with a father named Philip? Fanciful perhaps, but you seem to have run out of steam with William, so you've nothing to lose

I would look for Edward/Edmund and see if that leads anywhere

David

*I see a number of online trees show Philip who appears in censuses born 1798 as being the son of William & Ann, but with no sources quoted. Without a baptism it's difficult to attribute him to William and Ann, rather than one of the other Cornwell couples producing children at that time in Bottisham. The trees on Ancestry are rubbish as they all show William, father of Philip, as being born in 1789, obviously nonsense as Philip was born in 1798. Once there's an error of that magnitude I regard everything else as being suspect

** The burial index on the Cambs FHS site shows a Philippa Cornwell aged 22 buried in 1815 at Bottisham.

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David, I have William Cornwell, Philip's father b c1769, but where I obtained the information I don't know. I have Philip b Bottisham c1798, and no record of a Phillipa. Unless someone comes up with further information I shall investigate further. WAtch this space!

[bedfordshire boy]

Philip son of Edward (Edmund) and Elizabeth baptised 1792 looks suspiciously like Philippa age 22 buried in 1815. Could the burial entry be Philippe?

I can only see one child of William and Ann baptised in Bottisham - Mary Ann in 1801 - which is on the IGI as an "I" batch with no source.

Edmund Cornell was buried in Bottisham in 1835, age 76. There's no baptism in Bottisham, but there is one in Dullingham in 1752, which is a few years adrift on age. Dullingham is 5 miles from Bottisham, so it might be worth looking there.

But I can still find nothing to indicate that Philip born c1798 was the son of William & Ann.

David

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David, Putting the suggestion Phillippe into the fray is interesting and possibily useful as I do have some suggestion of French Hugenots in the tree at about this time. Must really do a thorough revision on my Cornwell tree

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1.  WILLIAM1 CORNWELL  He married ANNE ARBER 1789. 

Notes for WILLIAM CORNWELL:
His children, William, John, Mary Anne and Philip were all baptised in 1801.

There is a bond by a  William Cornwell for the child of Mary Benstead 11 Jan 1812, and they married on 26th May 1812  There were other William Cornwells in Bottisham at the time.  There was the one who married Jane Piper on 22 Apr 1789 in Bottisham, and the one who was christened 22 Mar 1789 to Holmes and Elizabeth Cornwell. ( Somewhere I have some more about Holmes and Elizabeth and a run down of early Cornwells in Bottisham.  The name has been suggested as a corruption of Cromwell - or I suppose, vice versa.  Looking through the registers it is possible to trace the evolution of Cornell from Cornwell (I can just hear a  Lode accented feller telling the Clerk in the Church that his name is Cornwell and swallowing his W... some Cornwells also became Cornwall. )

More About WILLIAM CORNWELL and ANNE ARBER:
Marriage: 1789
   
Children of WILLIAM CORNWELL and ANNE ARBER are:
2.   i.   PHILIP2 CORNWELL, b. 1798.
   ii.   JOHN CORNWELL.
   iii.   MARY ANN CORNWELL, m. WILLIAM OSLAR, 30 Dec 1816, Bottisham England.

More About MARY ANN CORNWELL:   Baptised: 1801, EN BLOC

Notes for WILLIAM OSLAR:
descibed in Bottisham marriage register as "of Waterbeach"

   iv.   SARAH CORNWELL, b. 1802.

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I forgot to add that the details I have posted are all taken from the original Parish Registers and documents held at Cambridge Records Office.   I recall that there are small original fragments of records which have not been filmed.

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In the case of some of the children - ie Philip - we have to remember that the records in the church are not birth records,  they are BAPTISM records. Ergo - I found Philip was baptised with his siblings, who were all different ages.  It was sometimes the case that a Vicar would round up children who had not been christened and do them all at once. 
Philip's date of birth is based on later records - censuses etc- but the baptism records clearly show who Philip's parents were.
Some of the older records give the names in Latin, in others the lack of formal spelling at the time is evidenced in the way the same name is written differently.

I have very copious notes on just about everything in both the Records Office and the Cambridgeshire collection on the Cornwells of Lode.  As yet I have NOT been able to connect Philip's line (from which I descend) with the VC winner.  I suppose it could be said that as they are Cornwells in the same village, the liklihood is that the Cornwells are all related, but proving it enough to say clearly that I am related to the VC winner has proved impossible. I would be delighted if someone could come up with reliable authentic records which make the connection. 

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As a basis for further research, and remember that Jack Cornwell VC was the first cousin of my grandfather, I have the following line of descent, which unfortunately is not fully authenticated: viz:Parents Eli Cornwell(1852-1916) and Lily King (3rd wife) Grandparents Samuel Cornwell(1828-1860) and Elizabeth Harvey;Robert Cornwell(1804-1877)* and Hannah Ayres; 2XGGparents Holmes Cornwell (b1764) and Elizabeth Day
* I have it recorded that Robert was a baptist.  The "rounding up" and baptism of the children does suggest to me that they were the children of baptists and as children were unbaptised, so the vicar was either evangelising or thought he was being helpful.Hope this information helps.