Research help required, please - COMPLETED

[newbe_nz]

Glad I could help with this one

if you need help or more info just ask away

Am off to work myself so will catch up later

newbe

[Lucy2]

3. Frances Mary ROE, born 22 Jun 1871 Kent Town, South Australia.

1882 #186 Frances Mary Roe to Edward Carlton Whitlock

Mmm ... I don't think this can be the correct marriage.   

Frances Mary born 1871 would only have been 11 years of age in 1882. 

Lu

[Lucy2]

Sadly, I think this is probably Frances Mary ?

NZ Death

1951 / 21758 - ROE - Frances Mary - 79 years - (bc 1872)

[Lucy2]

Sorry, I don't have burial details, but there is a probate record held at Archives New Zealand (Auckland Office) which suggests Frances Mary was resident in Rotorua around the time of her death.

ROE - Frances Mary - Rotorua - Spinster - 1951

http://www.archives.govt.nz/

Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi Grantley

Just adding this as a possibility for Edmund Richard Lyons ROE - born 1875.   

NSW DEATH

18210 / 1961

ROE - Richard Lyons - 82 years - Matraville - Reg'd. Sydney

Mmm ... age not quite right ... and unfortunately parents, not named.

Lu

[Lucy2]

Hi again Grantley

Ah ha .... it seems he "dropped" the forename of Edmund and was known as Richard Lyons ROE.

He saw service with the Australian Army, enlisting in 1916, giving his age as "37 years" (bc 1879).   

Richard Lyons ROE

Born:   SA

Next of Kin :   Mrs Alice ROE (Mother)
206 ?  Spey Street, Invercargill, New Zealand :

AND you can view the digital record on the "naa" website.   

Lu

[kiwihalfpint]

Hi,

Not sure if this is the right person ....

In the Electoral Roll 1893, there is a Frances Mary Roe of Ashburton, lwho was living in Rakaia South and was a teacher.

Unfortunately there are no further details to chase up on this.

Cheers
KHP

[krisesjoint]

Hi Grantley,

From the SA police journals I note the NZ incarceration was not his first . Looking at this it would seem he entered NZ after June 1877 and returned prior to Jan 1888

26 May 1875

Henry Lyons ROE, arrested by Sergeant Sullivan, for forgery, at Adelaide -  committed.

14 July 1875

ROE Henry Lyons, tried at the Supreme Court, for forgery - three years hard labor.

13 Jun 1877

Prisoners to be discharged from Yatala

Henry Lyons ROE, tried at Supreme Court on the 8th June, 1875, for forgery upon James C. Wilkinson, at Adelaide, three years' hard labor ; a native of Western Australia ; a stockholder ; born 1843; height, 5ft. 9 tin. ; complexion, fresh ; hair, brown ; eyes, hazel ; nose, long and pointed ; mouth, small ; chin round ; vaccine both arms ; scar on right knee. -  Freedom due 13th June, 1877.

4 Jan 1888

Arthur J. COATES, age about 45, height about 5ft. 10in., fair complexion, dark-brown hair, whiskers, beard, and a prominent nose, for obtaining on the 24th ultimo, from W. & T. Rhodes, at Adelaide, goods to the value of £2, and £3 cash, in return for a valueless cheque for £5 on the Bank of South Australia.- (C.2457/87.)
NOTE.-There are other like charges against this man, who is believed identical with Henry Lyons ROE (see Police Gazette, 1877, page 95, " Prisoners Discharged.")

8 Jan 1890

Vide Police Gazette, 1888, page 2. Arthur J. COATES, alias Henry Lyons ROE, on warrant, for false pretences, and has been arrested by the Sydney Detective Police. (C.2457/87.)

Henry Lyons ROE, alias Arthur J. COATES, by the New South Wales Police, Sydney, for false pretences on W. & T. Rhodes, and forging and uttering to Fredk. Basle, Cawthorne & Co., and Elizabeth Mary Perryman, Adelaide -  six months on first charge, committed on others.

Mar 12 1890

Prisoners tried at The Supreme Court

ROE Henry Lyons, forging and uttering -  five years.

Jun 18 1890

Inquests

At Yatala Labor Prison, on the 16th instant, on the body of Henry Lyons ROE. Verdict - "Died from natural causes."

Cheers Kris 

[grantleydawn]

I am absolutely blown away with everyone's help. Thankyou very much.

I had excluded Frances Mary ROE marrying  Edward Carlton Whitlock. I confirmed that Frances Mary ROE definitely was born 22nd Jun 1871.

Regards
Grantley