How likely is this link ?

[karens925]

I have a Hannah Downes (married name Beard) born 1818 in Chester Chesterfield, living Manchester according to the census returns of 1861, I also have a baptism record of Hannah Downes born in Manchester, baptized in Taxal Cheshire 1818. Her parents had three children baptized at the same time and the Father lived in Manchester.

I am really hoping its the same lady. Two reasons
Her sister Keziah Downes married Parley Pratt a Mormon in Salt Lake ( 12th wife of 18th) and has a whole biography of her, some of Hannah and brother Samuel. Theres even letters still existing.
There is a long history of Downes in Taxal going back to Reginald Downes who had a Manor house and lots of land and entertained the King. ( My dads side is full of paupers  )

My Hannah moved to America in 1870.

How would I go about proving this link ? If I can!

[Ermintrude46]

Hmmm, is she the Hannah with children Joseph, Charles, Amelia, George D, James and Alfred in Salford in the 1861 census?  If so, her place of birth appears to be given as Chester, Cheshire (not Chesterfield) which is close to the Welsh border and not very close to Taxal which is just over the Cheshire border in Derbyshire.  The family are pretty elusive on the 1851 census, have you found Hannah on any other censuses??
Ermy

[karens925]

yes this is the Hannah, on the 1841 census she is recorded as Beaned ! It says on here she was born in Lancashire but on all other census even the American ones it  says Chester
Oh I was hoping it was eureka moment as there was so much information and Id done so much research...sigh...... Ive kind of hit a wall with, Solomon and Hannah Beard.

Karen

[toni*]

what i think you need to do to prove the link is to try to rule out the bapt you found as your Hannah,

are there any more Hannahs born circa same time?
are there any more Hannah Downes marriages that could be Hannah bp. in Taxal?

[Ermintrude46]

If you can get access to parish records, including burials, (via ordering films at your local Mormon family history centre etc) you should be able to build up a picture of the various Downes (and variant spellings) families in the Taxal area to see whether there is a 'spare' Hannah who could be yours.  Taxal would have come under Macclefield registeration district, these are the earliest entries for Ann/Hannah Downes (the names were often interchangable) entries from FreeBMD:

Marriages Mar 1840   
DOWNES  Ann     Macclesfield  19 102

Deaths Mar 1841
DOWNES  Ann     Macclesfield  19 108

Deaths Sep 1841 
DOWNS  Ann     Macclesfield  19 96

Deaths Jun 1843
DOWNES  Nancy     Macclesfield  19 108

Marriages Jun 1844
DOWNES  Hannah     Macclesfield  19 122

Ermy

[karens925]

I have Hannah and Solomons marriage certificate ordered from Manchester Archives. They were married in 1835, so i know it wont have fathers names but might give clues as to birth and witnesses.

I did read something on Keziah's biography stating that Hannah was baptised into the morman church in 1842. But I dont know how to find this record and what surname it states. Her biography just gives Hannahs first name.

Hannah died in America, this is a definate as the whole family emigrated in the 1870's after her husbands death in 1859.

thankyou for your help 

[carol8353]

Marriages Mar 1840   
DOWNES  Ann     Macclesfield  19 102

Deaths Mar 1841
DOWNES  Ann     Macclesfield  19 108

Deaths Sep 1841 
DOWNS  Ann     Macclesfield  19 96

Deaths Jun 1843
DOWNES  Nancy     Macclesfield  19 108

Marriages Jun 1844
DOWNES  Hannah     Macclesfield  19 122

Ermy

Cheshire BMD often ahs the ages at death and one of the 1841 Ann's is on there......dunno which one though 

Cheshire Death indexes for 1841

DOWNES Ann age 57 East Macclesfield Cheshire East EMC/3/93

http://www.cheshirebmd.org.uk

AND this too...

Cheshire Death indexes for 1843

DOWNES Nancy age 63 Prestbury Cheshire East PRE/2/5


Carol

[nickgc]

The online Keziah bio categorically states, "Unfortunately her sister Hannah and family along with her mother never made it to the Salt Lake Valley. Seven years later, in 1861, Hannah and her family were included in the census record of Rainow, England. Elizabeth Braodhead Downes, her mother was living with them."

It seems to me that this should tell you a lot.  Was this Hannah's surname Beard?  Was she a widow?  If not, she is not your person.

Hope I'm not overlooking anything obvious.

Also, where and when do you have Hannah on US census as you state?   I couldn't find (with brief search) on 1880.  When and where did she die.  You state "noisy" details about when Hannah came to America (1870 and 1870s).

Nick

[karens925]

sorry I wont be so 'noisy' !!!! Not th kind of comment I expect really!!!!

Hannah Beard travelled to America in 1871 with her son Joseph. I have hers, and the rest of the family nataurilization certificates. I have the documents on which she sailed to america. I have photos of them all in America. Is this too noisy for you ?

Yes she is a widow her Husband died in 1859, I have his death certificate.

It states she didnt make to Salt Lake Valley not America, my Hannah made it to Ohio.

I was just asking if all my research was all wrong, I didnt see the bit about her living with her mother. So this answers my original question, unless the biography you read is wrong, shes not the same Hannah.

Ill just go sit in a corner and be far less noisy for you !