Charles Surrender Smith CLOSED

[Myrrh]

 :)That's interesting.  Minnie was her proper name, as she remarries using it after being widowed.  I knew Charles was with his parents in 1881 and with Minnie on the 1891 census as "married".  I haven't been able to find a marriage, but if Minnie was transcribed as Winnie, that would be understandable - I suppose it might mean they couldn't afford to get married, or maybe they were waiting to be sure they liked each other enough!

Myrrh

[lizdb]

Possible for Minnie in 1881 - with Uncle George and Aunty Emma

RG11 2687 7 7

[Myrrh]

Yes, I had assumed that was her.
 :)Myrrh

[CaroleW]

How do you know his parents names - do you have some other documentation apart from his birth cert

You don't have his birth cert and you don't have his marriage cert so where did that info come from

[avm228]

I must say, with a Charles Serendar SMITH on an extracted baptism record I'd be prioritising him until he could be definitively excluded!

1861 census of Birmingham Lady Wood shows George & Martha SMITH, both 28, with sons John (7), George H (4) and Charles (1) - the elder two consistent with baptisms in the same batch as Charles Serendar SMITH. The whole family is born Birmingham.

1861 ref is RG9/2130/44/28.

[lizdb]

Looks as if Martha has died and George remarried to a young Susannah by 1871

RG10 3112 82 33

Playing up and wont let me see the image, but transcript suggests it is them

George 38
Susannah 25
John 17
George 13
Charles 12

[Myrrh]

I know, I know.  Can this Charles Serendar Smith be found in 1881??

As I said in an earlier post, I saw as a child a mourning card for Charles Surrender Smith aged 30 something, which was typewritten, since disappeared.  When I sent for his death certificate it says Charles Surrender Smith aged 39,  it was handwritten, and said "widow present at death," which was just put down as "M Smith". He died in Villa Street, and his occupation was Brass Dresser Journeyman.

All I know for certain is that the Minnie Smith shown in 1901 living in Villa Street, Aston, Birmingham is my great grandmother. RG13?sorry, punched hole through it! My grandfather Ernest is there aged 8. He lived in Villa Street all his life (73 years).

So in 1891 I had a Charles and Minnie Smith in Villa Street and he was a Brassdresser.   Of the children mentioned on this, I have found deaths for both Clara and George, both of whom died as toddlers.  Which leaves a son Charles aged 2 in this 1891 census and in the 1901 census I have the widow with a son Charles, 10 years older at 12.

It's 1881 which is the crux I think.  RG11/3027 in Railway Terrace, Aston, as a Brassdresser with his parents - or is it this other Charles Serendar Smith - where?

Myrrh

[lizdb]

  His parents were Charles Smith and Emily (or Emma) Patrick, both from Leicestershire. 

We are still wondering where this info came from!?

[lizdb]

It's 1881 which is the crux I think.  RG11/3027 in Railway Terrace, Aston, as a Brassdresser with his parents - or is it this other Charles Serendar Smith - where?

Ican see a Charles Smith, age 20 a labourer unmarried boarding at 48 railway Terrace RG11 3034 98 10 but pres. that isnt the one you have seen