Charles Surrender Smith CLOSED

[Myrrh]

 
Hi,  I just wondered if there was anyone out there who knew why my gt. Grandfather was named Charles SURRENDER Smith??

He was a brass dresser, born in Aston in 1861 and died there aged 39 in September 1900. I've wondered about battles, and possible Quaker names,(don't know if he was a Quaker)  but I'm just hoping that, maybe, there's someone out there who has it in their "family memory banks".

This is the name on his death certificate, and I also remember as a child seeing a black rimmed Mourning Card with these details on it.  Just a thought
Thanks

[Myrrh]

Just to say I am aware of a listing on LDS of a Charles Serendar Smith, but the parents' names don't match, and the date is a couple of years out as well.  My g. grandad definitely died in Villa St, Aston.  I'm trying to trace this Charles Serendar, but with no luck so far.
Myrrh

[Satchwell]

Hello myrrh,
Afraid I am unable to help with your Charles Surrender Smith, but I have in my family tree a Maria Smith who married Edward Linney 20/11/1843, Aston, War.   Maria's father was Charles Smith.  Any chance these folk could be related to you?   Mel

[lizdb]

there is no birth reg for Charles Surrender Smith, or Charles Sarender Smith or similar, so he must have gained this middle name later in life by the look of it.

What were his parents names? Was he married?

[Myrrh]

Hi Satchwell,

No relation I'm afraid.  My Smiths were still in Leicestershire in 1851.
Myrrh.

Liz, thanks for taking a look at this.  His parents were Charles Smith and Emily (or Emma) Patrick, both from Leicestershire.  Charles Jnr was born in B'ham in I think 1861, was a brass worker, and married a Minnie Evans. His death cert states he was 39 when he died in Sept 1900. I haven't been able to find his birth, but I thought I had found one on LDS for Charles Serendar Smith with parents George and Martha, but nothing on BMD so far...I must have another look at this...Not much point in getting the marriage cert of his parents, because I know who they were, by the children's names looking from one census to the other.   A real puzzle.
Myrrh

[CaroleW]

Hi

When did he marry Minnie and was that her real christian name or a nickname

His parents were Charles Smith and Emily (or Emma) Patrick, both from Leicestershire

How do you know his parents names - do you have some other documentation apart from his birth cert

There is an 1871 entry with those parents and birthyear is shown as 1862 although 1891 shows 1861

[avm228]

Hi

When did he marry Minnie and was that her real christian name or a nickname

I wondered whether it was a marriage in Mar qtr 1891 - Charles SMITH and Winnie EVANS appear in the GRO index (Aston 6d 427) but perhaps there was an error in the compilation of the index

Anna

[CaroleW]

Hi

I think it may have been earlier than 1891 as there is a Charles & Minnie Smith with 3 children on the 1891

RG12 Piece 2428 Folio 65 Page 34

Charles Smith 30 brass dresser railway & ship lamps  b Birmingham
Minnie  22 b Staffs Handsworth
Charles 2 b Birmingham
Clara   1 b Aston Manor
George 1 month b Aston Manor

[avm228]

Hi

I think it may have been earlier than 1891 as there is a Charles & Minnie Smith with 3 children on the 1891

RG12 Piece 2428 Folio 65 Page 34

Charles Smith 30 brass lamp and ship??  b Birmingham
Minnie  22 b Staffs Handsworth
Charles 2 b Birmingham
Clara   1 b Aston Manor
George 1 month b Aston Manor

I saw them, but couldn't find a better marriage for that couple than the 1891 one (the only other in Warwickshire was, I think, 1884, which seemed early given Minnie's age in 1891).

Possibly Minnie was a second wife & not the mother of all the children - or she was their mother, but had a belated trip down the aisle?

Perhaps Myrrh will clarify.