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[jakky]

Good morning Casalgudi

Many thanks for your most useful information and help,

I only hope I can help someone oneday in the same unselfish way

Thank you

Jakky

[yorkshire tyke]

Hi

I don't know if this will help or not.

On the 1861 census for Hull is the following

Ann Thomas  head aged 32, fruiterer, widow, born Wigan
Benjamin Thomas aged 1, born Hull
Sarah Thomas, aged 11, born Wigan
Agnes Thomas, aged 7, born Wigan

Address, 2 Humber Street, Hull.

At least this narrows down the possible death dates for Benjamin's father, and confirms the Wigan conection.

Best wishes

Les

[yorkshire tyke]

Sorry, it's me again!

I've just checked FreeBMD and there is a marriage listed for Samuel Thomas March 1849 Bolton 21 55.  There is a marriage also listed for an Ann Hallam with the same referance.

At YorkshireBMD there is a birth listed for Benjamin Thomas in 1859 reference HUM/13/227.

Apologies if you already have this information.

Lesley

[jakky]

Hi Lesley,

not been on line for a while,

thanks for your interest, I have found them now and you are right.

It turns out Ben's father died the year he was born and his mum Ann(Hallam) went back to Wigan and remarrieWhat threw me was me foolishly thinking they were from Hull and I never even thought Samuel might have died.

I have learned a lesson from this, never discount anything

Thanks again

regards


Jakky.

[yorkshire tyke]

Hi Jakky
 
Glad you got the answers you were looking for.

Best wishes

Lesley

[antiquarian_m]

Hi,

Just a snippet of information,

Humber Keels where sailing barges on the Humber, they traded with all kinds of cargo, including men, livestock, fruit and so on.

Humber Street was so named as it was at one time the street running alongside the river Humber, when the town docks where created they reclaimed some of the Humber making Humber Street more inland, however the warehouses still remained, and still do to this day, Humber Street for centuries has been Hull Traders Fruit market,

A century or so ago, there was a real mixture of people living in and around Humber Street, these people ranged from wealthy fruit merchants to paupers. Pig Alley was believed to be where the Pigs where driven through to the livestock Market, after being taken off the boats, as far as I am aware there was a mixture of classes of people living in this Alley, but according to the books I have read, some where in real squalar.

Aah the good old days!

I hope this is of some interest

Tony

[jakky]

Hi Tony,


Thanks for that,

Anne was down as a fruitier, considering she came from a family of mill workers and clog makers as did Samuel, it is intriguing to try to work out why on earth they went there and changed their jobs, maybe at the time there was so little work in Wigan.


The mills were still working though, there are also Thomas's in Hull so could be a relative, this is as yet on my   to do   list,



Jakky

[antiquarian_m]

Hello again,

Many Cotton mill workers came to Hull from Wigan, a newspaper at the time stated that the most ignorant vilest people on earth where Wiganers, (or words to that effect) before you take offence, my ancestors where Wiganers also!!

Blame the American civil war for the reason they came to Hull, there was a huge drop in trade with USA at that time, and the cotton mills suffered badly.

A few Cotton Mills opened up in Hull, obtaining cotton from India, many other things where happening in Hull, making it a boom town at that time, so Lancashire mill workers came in their hundreds to work the mills, I think they employed around 2000 people (mostly women) at their peak, but the mills quickly went into decline, however the imports and export of the docks kept growing, so I can see why they changed trades, and at that time it appears Hull was the place to be!

Tony

[jakky]

Hi Tony,

That is very interesting and could explain a lot.

No offence taken I quite like it, War of the Roses I expect

I assume you have been on the Wigan Worlds site an excellent one.

Also a good  read on the free Gutenberg  Library books is   "Home Life of The Lancashire folk at The Time of the Cotton Famine."  Taken from actual interviews.


regards Jakky