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Re: Shadrach Line (Boswell)
« Reply #9 on: Thursday 21 January 10 05:30 GMT (UK) »
Paula

Plato is with Miselli in 1861 but ten years later with Freedom Lane, whom he marries in 1874. Did Miselli die, or did they just split up and move on to different partners? Were Plato and Miselli ever formerly married? He gives the alias 'William' in 1841 and 1881 also.

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Re: Shadrach Line (Boswell)
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 23 January 10 09:50 GMT (UK) »
hi keith,
 do not know if he ever married mizilli or if she died, i know they had a daughter betsy whom i am led to believe died in 1852 in greenwich.
i also do not no why he had the name change,and then changed it back, but its not unusual for them to do that as i have found out while tracing other family.
i also can find him in 1871 with freedom, along with children, have looked after that time but cannot seem to find them, sorry could not be of more help, maybe some one else will read this and have more answers.
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Re: Shadrach Line (Boswell)
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 23 January 10 16:31 GMT (UK) »
I have him in every census year between 1841 and 1891.

TM me your email address, Paula, and I will send you the biographical grid I have created for him.


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Re: Shadrach Line (Boswell)
« Reply #12 on: Thursday 21 November 13 11:31 GMT (UK) »
Hello everyone,

Like so many of us, I have my tree going back to Shadrach Boswell c. 1755.  Does anyone know who his Parents or Sibling were?  I seem to have come to a dead end.

Hello, I realise this thread is old now, but are you still looking for this information?

Shadrach was baptised 21 October 1750 at Basildon Holy Cross, Essex to Robert and Diana Boswell

Following siblings:

Cornelius baptised 12 December 1742 Wellington, Shropshire, England
Mary (1745-1759)
Peata (Paccata) baptised 23 July 1747 Southill, Bedfordshire, England

Possibly also had several half siblings. According to Robert Dawsons 'Genealogy of the Romany Boswells', his sister Peata was examined as a vagrant in Novemeber 1768 as 'Paccula' in Balsham, Cambridgeshire, and removed to Southill, Beds, where she had been baptised.

Robert is described as a 'Traveller' on Peata's baptism. He himself was possibly the subject of a removal order with his first wife Mary in 1744 in Boxley, Kent.

Robert Dawson does not seem to have been aware of Shadrach's baptism and attachment to this family when he wrote his Boswells work in 2004, possibly because Essex has very poor coverage on the IGI before the 19th century. Many of their registers have since become available on SEAX the Essex County records site.

According to Dawson, Robert Boswell was the son of John Boswell and Mary (Jeffrey), baptised 24 June 1730 Misson, Nottinghamshire, (though he cannot have been an infant if this is correct) and was a younger brother to  John 'Black Jack' Boswell who married Ann Jackson in Northumberland 1723.

John was removed from Canterbury, Kent to Faversham, Kent in 1703, with his family. Dawson believes he is the same man arrested at Aylesbury in 1735 for Highway Robbery on Henry Lovell, and another of his elder sons William, was arrested with Lovells two years later in 1737 for stealing the horse of Abram Wood.

Dawson also states that John was probably the same John baptised 16 December 1685 in Rothwell, Yorkshire, to John and Easter Boswell. This family had links to London and Leicestershire as well as Yorkshire.

John, Senior, was likely the son of Edward and Alice Boswell baptised at St Mary Le Bow, London 20 Jan 1662.

Edward was born circa 1630 and buried at Winslow, Buckinghamshire, 1689, as 'Gentleman, King of the Gypsies"

Edward's parents was  Henry 'Haniel' Boswell also described in records as 'King of the Gypsies' and Abigal Scott.

Henry was baptised 27 October 1583 at St Andrew by the Wardrobe, London to Francis and Ann Boswell.


So in other words:

Shadrach Boswell bap. 1750
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Robert Boswell (born circa 1715-20? ) bap. 1730     +Diane
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John Boswell, Jr., bap. 1685 + Mary Jeffrey
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John Boswell, Sr., bap.1662 + Easter Boswell
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Edward Boswell (c.1630-1689) + Alice
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Henry 'Haniel' Boswell bap. 1583  + Abigail Scott
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Francis Boswell c. 1540-60? + Ann


Silvester Gordon Boswell wrote in his autobiography (The Book of Boswell: Autobiography of a Gypsy  1970) that he believed Shadrach, his 2xgreat grandfather, was an immigrant to England, but I think this is provably not the case by his baptism, and may be a confusion with the fact he is said to have died in Holland whilst serving in the militia. Whether this is entirely accurate in details I do not know, I have no death or burial record, but there is at least a record of him serving in the militia on the surviving Militia Muster Records for England and Wales, 1781-1782 so there is some truth to it.
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Holohan, Donnelly, McGowan/McGoan - Leitrim, Ireland/Dundee, Scotland/London.

Gordon, Troup, Grant, Watt, McInnes - Aberdeenshire, Scotland/London


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Re: Shadrach Line (Boswell)
« Reply #13 on: Monday 25 November 13 11:25 GMT (UK) »
Hello Richarde1979,

Redworth who first started off this post was last online in October but sadly his email notifications are not working...I have sent his a message but he will not receive it until he next logs in - lets hope very :)

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Re: Shadrach Line (Boswell)
« Reply #14 on: Monday 25 November 13 12:09 GMT (UK) »
Thanks Sarah

I have over the weekend found some more interesting information on Shadrach's military career with the kind help of another rootschat member, and have been in contact with Robert Dawson at the Romany and Traveller History Society. It seems this is all new information, and on his suggestion i am writing it up into an article for the Society's Journal.

Regards

Richard
Bellenger, Sebire, Soubien, Mallandain, Molle, Baudoin - Normandy/London
Deverdun, Bachelier, Hannoteau, Martin, Ledoux, Dumoutier, Lespine, Montenont, Picard, Desmarets - Paris & Picardy/Amsterdam/London
Mourgue, Chambon, Chabot - Languedoc/London

Holohan, Donnelly, McGowan/McGoan - Leitrim, Ireland/Dundee, Scotland/London.

Gordon, Troup, Grant, Watt, McInnes - Aberdeenshire, Scotland/London

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Re: Shadrach Line (Boswell)
« Reply #15 on: Thursday 02 January 14 09:58 GMT (UK) »
With reference to reply #12, congratulations on finding Shadrach Boswell’s baptism. His pedigree has something special about it possibly because of the publicity it has received. Readers of rootschat are also entitled to know that there is a discordant note and your excellent find should not be allowed to endorse or perpetuate speculation or unscientific work.

For example, the baptism at St Mary Le Bow, available on Ancestry for anybody wishing to check, does not give a mother’s name and does not say ‘gipsy’ (or similar). It says nothing at all that would prove that it was a gipsy baptism. Without supporting evidence if the original record does not say ‘gipsy’ (or similar) then it is unlikely to be gipsy.

Some possibly useful pieces of data in the region follow: 

BDF Southill Removal Order 17/11/1768 Paccata BOSWELL [of] Balsham, Cambs, born a bastard; a vagrant "a person pretending to be a Gypsie and wandering in the habit and form of an Egyptian and lying in the field and outhouses" (Examination of Paccata Boswell believes her legal settlement is in Southill, but has always been wandering about the country like a gipsy) 17 Nov 1768 [ref: P69/13/4/7]

CAM Settlement Examination Fordham 3/12/1749 Elias BOSWELL of Buttsbury wife Sarah, children Susannah (c20) John (c16) Sarah (c15) Mary (c14) & Erusha (c13) removed to Buttsbury EX on 4/12/1748 [ref: P71/13/24]

LIN Settlement Examination Boston Epiphany {1805-06} Letitia BOSWELL & Peggy BOSWELL both born Trumpington CAM where their late father was settled

CAM Trumpington br26/2/1787 (96) John, a gipsy of Workhouse

LIN Settlement Examination Lindsey Q/S Vagrancy Pass 15 July 1796 Elisha BOSWELL, vagrant, 4 days in House of Correction, removed to Easton nr Pewsey WIL; son of Edward BOSWELL, pt.slr of Easton

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Re: Shadrach Line (Boswell)
« Reply #16 on: Thursday 02 January 14 15:48 GMT (UK) »
Hello TL

I have Shadrach, son of Robert and Diana Boswell 'A Casaulty Child', baptised at St Mary at Finchley 28 October 1749 and buried there six days later. Of course it does not say Gypsy anywhere on  either baptism or burial, but I think there is sufficient evidence to point towards this being an earlier child to the same couple. 

Incidentally ten months earlier the Gypsy pugilist Benjamin Boswell had fought his last bout on Finchley Common against John Slack, so this may have been a regular winter stopping place for the Boswells at this time.

Since my last post I have done a fair bit or work on the Boswells, and come across some good new finds. I do not now believe the tree given in post 12 is anywhere near correct. (I do not even believe Haniel and the earlier Boswells were Romany) I have some circumstantial evidence, but not firm proof, that Elias Boswell of the Fordham settlement examination was the father of Robert, and grandfather of Shadrach. I am currently putting all this information together, hopefully to be published at some point too.
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Deverdun, Bachelier, Hannoteau, Martin, Ledoux, Dumoutier, Lespine, Montenont, Picard, Desmarets - Paris & Picardy/Amsterdam/London
Mourgue, Chambon, Chabot - Languedoc/London

Holohan, Donnelly, McGowan/McGoan - Leitrim, Ireland/Dundee, Scotland/London.

Gordon, Troup, Grant, Watt, McInnes - Aberdeenshire, Scotland/London

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Re: Shadrach Line (Boswell)
« Reply #17 on: Monday 06 January 14 17:54 GMT (UK) »
With reference ot Reply #2 there was no Abel BOSWELL.

I have not looked in detail at the post but I have shown elsewhere that Abel was the mistaken name of Clark BOSWELL. The person who originally made the mistake, in the JGLS, was, I believe, Ferdinand Huth.

TL