John DREDGE and Elizabeth STONE

[janeeliza999]

Hi.
I'm having a lot of trouble sorting part of my family out.
Below is what I have read on here, but the problem is that Moses Dredge has a son called John Dredge but he is married to a Caroline Penn. m 14 Jan 1850.
My John Dredge is married to Elizabeth Stone but I cant seem to find a to find his family as Moses Dredge keeps coming up. Any help would be great.
Jane


From FindMyPast

Wincanton
7 January 1837 John Dredge = Elizabeth Stone

From IGI
JOHN DREDGE died 22 April 1877   
Parents: Moses Dredge and  Anne Micholas or Nicholas
Married 7 January 1837, Wincanton,
Spouse:  Elizabeth Stone

 

[ChasH]

Jane,

Welcome to the best place there is but should you not be on the SOM forum rather than WIL forum?

Regards

Chas

[janeeliza999]

Hi. Why go to SOM?

John Dredge Born WILTS
Moses Dredge born WILTS

[nigelp]

Hi Jane,

I am not sure what the problem is here. Perhaps you can explain in more detail.

From the IGI there is a John Dredge baptised in Downton, Wiltshire on 1 June 1817 (possibly born in Britford from the 1851 Census). He is identified as being the son of Moses Dredge and Anne Nicholas (or Micholas). This John appears to have married Elizabeth Stone in Wincanton, Somerset on 7 January 1837 and died on 22 April 1877 (GRO: 5a 130 Alderbury Jun 1877, age 60). James, the eldest son of John and Elizabeth in the 1851 Census is identified as having been born in Wincanton.

There are a lot of John Dredges in the 1851 Census including one born in Downton or Redlynch about 1821 and who married a Caroline Penn in Downton in January 1850  (GRO: 8 371 Alderbury Mar 1850).

Nigel

[janeeliza999]

Hi Nigel

From IGI
JOHN DREDGE died 22 April 1877   
Parents: Moses Dredge and  Anne Micholas or Nicholas
Married 7 January 1837, Wincanton,
Spouse:  Elizabeth Stone

Moses Dredge does have a son John Dredge b 8 Jun 1817 m Caroline Penn 14 Jan 1850
As you can see above it says Elizabeth Stone as his wife.
My relation is John Dredge b 1818 who married Elizabeth Stone b 1817
There is no second marriage as my John Dredge was alive and married to Elizabeth Stone in the 1851 census.
They have 6 children, the first 2 born 1839 and 1841 Wincanton, 3  born 1843,1845 and 1848 Britford and the last 1857 in East Harnham



   
John Dredge    Pedigree
     
Born  1817  Redlynch, Wiltshire, England
          
Married 14 JAN 1850 Downton, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England
     
Caroline Penn    Pedigree
Born    1825 Charlton, , Wiltshire, England
Married 14 JAN 1850     Downton, Salisbury, Wiltshire, England     

These people are not my relations, but he is the son of Moses Dredge.

It seems that, somehow, the two families have been combined wrongly.


It is easy to get the wrong people but going back from my Grandmothers birth year 1900 - Harry Dredge 1866 - Thomas S Dredge 1843 - John Dredge -1818.
That is where I come to a stop. His marriage is to Elizabeth Stone.

Thanks for your reply
Jane

[nigelp]

Hi Jane,

How do you know from the information you have provided that it is the John Dredge who married a Caroline Penn rather than Elizabeth Stone who had the father Moses? Have you seen the original entries for either marriage?

The 1851 Census does not shown the John Dredge who married Caroline as born in 1817. He is identified as aged 30 (born Downton) in the 1851 Census, aged 42 (born Downton) in the 1861 Census and aged 60 (born Redlynch) in the 1881 Census. This John Dredge was, therefore, still alive in 1881 and born about 1819 - 21 from the Census entries.

The John Dredge who married Elizabeth Stone is listed as aged 33 (born Britford) in the 1851 Census, aged 44 (born Britford) in the 1861 Census and aged 54 (born Britford) in the 1871 Census. This indicates a birth about 1817. He does not appear in the 1881 Census. This information is, therefore, consistent with a birth and baptism in 1817 and the death in 1877.

The 1861 Census confirms Thomas S. Dredge as being the son of John and Elizabeth.

From the above information it does not appear to be the John Dredge b 8 Jun 1817 who married Caroline Penn on 14 Jan 1850.

Nigel

[heywood]

Hello,

I looked for John last night but then just as I got it ready to post -lost contact.
At first I thought that John had left one 'wife' and then married another but then I found the two Johns  in 1871 (from memory).

However, after reading this I now realise I was following a completely different John and Elizabeth (from Frome) 

Reading this today, are you just raising the question of the two Johns and Moses?
The IGI entries are submissions- so someone has presumably put two and two together and decided that John who married Elizabeth is the son of Moses.
Downton (Moses and John) is only 5 miles away from Britford (your John) on google map.

There are a few Dredges born Britford in 1851 and 1841 censuses. Family Search has some of these born to Charles and Mary with baptisms in Salisbury (Wesleyan).

There is also a Peter Dredge, carpenter with a daughter Hannah who is born around 1815.  I notice your John is a carpenter.
Unfortunately, the baptism for Hannah, daughter of Peter is a submission on IGI so no help there.

Have you tried accessing the Britford Parish records at all?

best wishes
heywood

[nigelp]

There is a John DREDGE, son of Joseph & Sarah, baptised at Downton, South Street Chapel (Baptist) on 8 March 1818.

Nigel

[heywood]

I am getting confused here Nigel 

I was thinking John wasn't born Downton but Britford ... or am I on the wrong track altogether 

heywood