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Re: Venus Family
« Reply #18 on: Sunday 06 March 11 16:14 GMT (UK) »
Shields Gazette Published on Wed Dec 17 14:53:41 GMT 2008

A WEEK before Christmas, two years into the reign of Queen Victoria, Israel Venus signed as an apprentice to the sea.

His employer, a South Shields ship owner, was a woman, Elizabeth Gare - not unusual in 1839 - and Israel's indentures show that he was responsible for providing his own sea-bedding, clothes and other necessaries, while at the same time refraining from dice and cards, and frequenting taverns unless on his mistress's business.

Handling the stiff, grey document today, you can almost hear the solicitor's clerk's nib scratching over its waxy surface. The red wax seal is redolent of candlelight in the dark depths of winter.

This was the year Olive Twist was published. It is our own glimpse inside lost Dickensian world.

But it's only where the story begins. Over the course of it, other folk weave in and out: a farmer, a soldier, a shopkeeper and that wonderful trade of by-gone days, a tripe dresser.

But there are also mysteries. Whose was the lock of pale red hair, lovingly kept wrapped in paper, alongside a worn wedding ring?

Contained in battered cardboard that once held chocolates, and an even older and even more knocked-about metal cash box, it's one family's history. Is it yours?

"A friend did a house clearance some years ago and these were among the things that were salvaged," said reader Kerry Bailey, who recently dropped the finds into Cookson Country.

"Some of it is really interesting about different, old places in Shields," said Kerry, who lives at The Nook and who would like to return the memorabilia to the original owner's family, if any are still in the area.

There are photographs, birth, death and marriage certificates, funeral bills, letters, pertaining mainly to people who, it would appear, were either Israel Venus's descendants or members of families that they married into.

So what more do we know about Israel? After four years, during which he earned a total of 30 - equivalent to about 1,300 today - he had completed his apprenticeship to Mrs Gare's satisfaction.

He then re-appears 30 years later, in 1873, when his daughter Mary, 25, marries a trimmer, Robert Foster, the son of a farmer, Thomas Foster, at St Stephen's Church on The Lawe.

Later again, in 1888, another daughter, Charlotte Venus, aged 29, marries Alexander Chappel, again at St Stephen's Church.

At this time both families are living at 13 Thrift Street, on the riverside below The Lawe, and Israel is described as still being a seaman.

Alexander Chappel is interesting because, at the time of his marriage, he was also seafaring.

But four years later, he was obviously seeking to settle ashore.

After Israel Venus's indentures, one of the loveliest documents in the collection is the confirmation, in 1892, of Alexander Chappel's purchase, from a James Wetherell, of a "tripe boiling house and stable hut of brick and wood" located at the back of Thames Street, which ran from behind Mile End Road to the riverside.

It cost 60, equivalent to about 3,500 today, which was paid in instalments of between 5 and 7, and which included "pots, tubs and other sundries, also a long cart barrow."

Subsequent family developments are more hazy.

In 1906, a Mr Chapel (sic) paid a bill of 9 18s 6d to a funeral director, Deacon's, in Keppel Street, South Shields, the biggest outlay of which was for an "adults coffin" at a cost of 3 15s. But whose was it?

Things grow hazier. By the time of the First World War, an Alex Chappel is writing home while serving with the British Expeditionary Force in France.

In the summer of 1916, there is also a letter from Dora Chappel, of 74 Mile End Road, to a Pte Matt Brown, serving with the 3rd Battalion Tyneside Scottish, also in France.

"Alex was here from France for (?) day and he looked a treat," she writes.

"Walter has his four days leave and has to return on Wednesday....You are right when you say I am tired of the war and will be glad when it is over..."

Much of the subsequent correspondence dates from the inter-war years and reflects everyday family life of the era, such a doctor's club card for Dr Ord, who had surgeries in Mile End Road and at Laygate, to whom payments of a shilling a fortnight were made, this in the days before the National Health Service.

There are bills, receipts and financial agreements, even a rather odd and shirty letter, dated December 1931, from Howard Stores in Clayton Street, Newcastle, which reads: "On Tuesday of this week, Mrs D....... of Cedar Grove, Cleadon, called and asked for goods on Hire Purchase. She stated that you had informed her that she could get anything, even boots. We may state that this not correct"!

Sadly, though, none of the paperwork tells us what happened to Israel Venus, but one sad letter does record the death of his daughter Charlotte, at the age of 80 in 1935, at the hospital in the East Riding of Yorkshire where had been a patient for more than 20 years.

Much of the later correspondence is addressed to a Mrs D Harrison, general dealer, of 39 Fawcett Street which, again, was off Mile End Road.

Altogether, this is someone's family treasure trove.

If anyone can prove a claim on the documents, get in touch with me - but, please, not until after Christmas now.
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Re: Venus Family
« Reply #19 on: Sunday 19 February 12 15:03 GMT (UK) »
I am also tracing the Venus family tree. I have found that Joseph Venus born c.1774 was the son of Joseph  and Mary Venus ( nee Hetcher) married 23/8/1760 at St. Alphege church, Greenwich.
Joseph was a carpenter , how bizarre is that ?
Does anyone have definite evidence that Aaron married Mary Ann Nevans ? as I have seen a record that says she was born in Seaton Delaval/Blyth and Aarons wife was supposed to have been born in Deptford, Sunderland.
The only record that Sunderland Council have is of George Venus marrying Mary A Mackey in 1856, which would make our Mary Ann about 15 when she got married, not the 17 that everyone thinks she was. It is possible that Aaron was known by the name of George, or it wad transcribed wrongly.
Any help would be gratefully appreciated

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Re: Venus Family
« Reply #20 on: Sunday 19 February 12 17:13 GMT (UK) »
Further to your post.I have a copy of the birth certificate of Aaron Venus and Mary Ann Nevans.They married at the parish church of Southwick in Sunderland on September 16th
1858. Aaron was a mariner at the time of their marriage and originated from St Mary Cray in Kent. Mary Ann's father was a William Nevans. They are both buried in Sunderland Rd. cemetry Gateshead but there is no headstone. They are my great grandparents and one of their sons Daniel was my grandfather. Mary Ann was 17 at the time of the wedding and a girl called Mary Nevens was baptised at Bishopwearmouth North  in County Durham on 26th of March 1841 which would make her 17 in 1858. Her father's name is given as William on the birth certificate and her mother's name was Isabella Nevens (formerly Paul)

Hope this helps.

                  Ron Venus

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Re: Venus Family
« Reply #21 on: Sunday 19 February 12 17:54 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ron,
Thanks for that, I have been having trouble verifying Mary Ann's history.
We are obviously related, which branch do you belong to?
I am also descended from Aaron, via William, John Burns, etc.
Best Regards,
Rob Venus


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Re: Venus Family
« Reply #22 on: Sunday 19 February 12 22:30 GMT (UK) »
Aaron Venus was my great grandfather.His son Daniel my grandfather.Daniel had two sons, Aaron David Saxby Venus and Stan Venus. Stan was my father. Aaron the older had some children born in Kent and some in Gateshead. My father, his brother and sister Margaret were born in Gateshead. My Grandparents Daniel and Emily are buried in Sunderland Rd cemetry and there is quite a large gravestone there in their memory.They also had another son Daniel who died at a young age after an accident on the road.They lived in Camperdown St in Gateshead for many years. Thomas Venus my great great grandfather is buried in the churchyard at St Mary Cray in Kent but once again there is no headstone.I did a lot of work on the family tree a number of years ago and of course you are welcome to any info I have. Incidentally I am a 70 plus pensioner.

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                                          Ron V.

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Re: Venus Family
« Reply #23 on: Monday 20 February 12 08:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi Ron,
This is all good stuff !
I was born and raised in Gateshead but now  at 65 I live just outside Harrogate.
I have found a WW1 enlistment record dated 1917 for Robert Venus of Victoria Road, Gateshead. Is he one of yours ?
Most people seem to be aware of Joseph b.1796 , but I have a parish record of his parents Joseph and Mary Hetcher getting married on 23 August 1760. I have no further details but he must hsve been born around 1740 ish.
I would appreciate more info on Daniels line, if possible
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Bobbyvee

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Re: Venus Family
« Reply #24 on: Monday 20 February 12 08:52 GMT (UK) »
Sorry, that should have been Joseph b.1769 !

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Re: Venus Family
« Reply #25 on: Monday 20 February 12 14:01 GMT (UK) »
If you don't mind me having your e mail address that may be a more convenient way to send extra data.My e address is ***** Interesting to hear that you now live near Harrogate.I have lived near Leyburn in the Yorkshire Dales for the last 5 years.

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Re: Venus Family
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 07 April 13 18:12 BST (UK) »
While looking for the ancestors of my Venus family from East Peckham, I came across the will of Thomas Veness, Wheelwright of Marden, dated 1 July 1806. In it he refers to his sister and brothers: Elizabeth Honeysett wife of William Honeysett of Lamberhurst, Sussex, Wheelwright, Benjamin Veness of Pembury, Kent, Wheelwright, John Veness late of London, Wheelwright and Joseph Veness of Saint Mary Cray, Kent, Cordwainer.

There is also the will of Thomas' wife Mary dated 25 February 1821, which mentions Benjamin Veness, Wheelwright of Pembury and Joseph Veness of Crayford, Kent, Cordwainer.

Could this be the Joseph Veness who married Elizabeth Turner on 2 Mar 1794 in Eynsford. I've also found an entry in the London Gazette of 14 Jul 1801, which mentions a Joseph Veness of Sevenoaks, Shoemaker, who was discharged from debtors prison. As cordwainer is another word for shoemaker the profession and location fits, as the children of Joseph and Elizabeth although baptised in Eynsford, were born in Sevenoaks (non-conformist BMD).

Thomas Veness of Marden also mentions his mother in his will, Elizabeth Parker of Heathfield, Sussex. Elizabeth Veness married Edward Parker on 9 Apr 1779 in Heathfield, Sussex.

So possibly the parents of Elizabeth, Thomas, Benjamin, John and Joseph were Thomas Veness and Elizabeth Card who married on 14 Jan 1752, Wartling, Sussex. The children having been baptised in Brightling, Sussex. There were 2 younger siblings Hannah and Samuel, but both died before their first birthday, but the others match.