Seven infant deaths - same family?

[Ouse who]

In the course of trying to find where a Cockney settled, I have established that by 1891 George Bowler and his wife Emily were living at Ince in Makerfield (see earlier request).

The Lancashire BMD site lists 10 Bowler children born in Hindley sub-district between 1885 and 1898, seven of whom died as infants:                                   

George Edward        b1885   d1885     age 0
Annie                     b1886   d1888     age 2
Thomas Edward       b1889   d1889     age 0
William Capel           b1889   d1891     age 2
Rhoemena               b1890      
Elizabeth Jane          b1891      
Florence Bethada      b1893    d1893   age 0
George Wilfrid           b1894    d1896   age 2
George                    b1894      
Annie                      b1898    d1898   age 0

I would dearly like to know if any of them belonged to George and Emily and I would appreciate someone with access to local records to check; there are rather a lot of certificates to order if they are not the family I am looking for 
   

Kind regards, O.

[heywood]

 Hi, 
                              
George Edward        b1885   d1885     age 0
Annie                     b1886   d1888     age 2
Family Search - parents George Edward and Emily

Thomas Edward       b1889   d1889     age 0

William Capel           b1889   d1891     age 2
There is a William with George and Emily in 1891- would this one be in census?

Rhoemena               b1890
In census with parents Thomas and Mary (there is also a Glendora)

Elizabeth Jane          b1891      
Florence Bethada      b1893    d1893   age 0
George Wilfrid           b1894    d1896   age 2
George                    b1894      
Annie                      b1898    d1898   age 0

so that's a few less

heywood

[buttercup]

If you look at Wignworld they have records for INce cemetery.

George Wilfred's death is listed 1896 aged 2 yrs living at 65 Ingram St.

Does this address ring any bells? If not probably another one to eliminate?

Unfortunately there are not many Bowlers listed only 3 in fact!

Hope this has helped somewhat

Cheers
Jen

[Ouse who]

Hi Heywood and Jen,

Thank you for the advice.

I don't know enough about the family yet to know about the address Jen, although I have found that it is in Pemberton, where in fact there were a further 3 infant Bowler deaths between 1888 and 1889,  Alice (0), Fred (0), and George (0). 

I don't yet know how many families are involved here, but it strikes me as very high mortality rate in a short space of time.

George snr died age 39 in 1900. Any additional information would be much appreciated - I am new to these parts, and am just getting my bearings! 

Kind regards, O.

[buttercup]

Me again,

might be a silly question...

Have you got the 1901 census? If you look up Ada (Ellen) Bowler she is aged 18 born barrow (fits with 1891 return) you can probably see who she is living with.

I find this useful sometimes to eliminate infant deaths where a name appears as 'living'. Eg. if there is a child named George in 1901 who was born during the 1890's then you can eliminate the other Georges that were born and died during the 1890's. Does that make sense? Perhaps not 

Do you know when Emily the mother died? If so and it was after 1911 you can see how many children she had. Isn't the 1911 census suppose to record how many children dead or alive a woman had?

Cheers
Jen

[buttercup]

Aha!

It works it seems Emily is living with Ada Ellen aged 18, then theres a jump down to Elizabeth Jane aged 9 (that would be the one born 1891 - so she survived), then theres George aged 6 (born 1894) and John born 1900 aged 0.

Which means you can most likely rule out George Wilfred born 1894.

So, so far looks like the family is:

Ada Ellen - 1882
George Edward - 1885
Annie - 1886
William - 1889
Elizabeth Jane -1891
George - 1894
John - 1900

The ones we can eliminate are:

Rhoemena - 1890
George Wilfred -1894
George - 1885
George - 1899


And the outstanding ones:

Thomas Edward - 1889
John - 1892  (found another!)
Florence Batheda - 1893
Annie - 1898
Alice -1898
Fred - 1899

Annie and Alice were born in different quarters so at the very least one of them is not yours!
Thomas E is probably not yours either as he was also registered in September quarter as Will C BUT listed on completely different page numbers - and no not pages that would appear next to each other which eliminates twins (my assumption anyway)

Fred is a ? he was registered Dec qtr 1899  which makes it a close call considering John who is alive in the 1901 census was registered Sep Qtr 1900, doesn't leave much time really... but it is possible I suppose!
And the same goes for John 1892. He is listed Sep Qtr but Elizabeth listed Dec Qtr 1891 - again a close call but it can be possible.

Hope this has helped somewhat!

Cheers
Jen

[Ouse who]

Jen your a star,

I had just got back from National Archives (just up the road) where my wife and I had been looking at the 1901 census (and Old Bailey records*), to find your very nice post. I think you (and Heywood) between you have all the ducks in a row there, many thanks. 

George's mother Rhoda was was killed in 1861, when he was just one year old, so we have been trying to piece together what happened to the him after her death.

Kind regards, O.

* See my posting today on Middlesex.

[buttercup]

Glad it was of some use!

And just to add something further if you don't already know...

1911 census seems to indicate Emily Bowler listed as EMMA

Emma seems to share a household with at the very least:

George aged 16
John  aged 10
Albert aged 4


Obviously George and John are hers, Albert could be a grandson? The girls are no longer there but could be married.. You'll have to access the transcript for more info.

I got this from a basic search of the 1911 and they are living in Ince, Wigan Lancashire

kindest regards
Jen

[Ouse who]

Hi Jen,

Thank you very much for that 1911 census entry - I didn't have it.

Lots to get my teeth into now. Having learnt the circumstances of his mother's death last night, I think it is highly likely that George (d 1900) had survived a terrible rail crash in London in which his mother died. 

Kind regards, O.