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Re: Kibbles in N.Z.
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 09:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi Lu,

That's WONDERFUL - thank you!! I had a moment's doubt when I saw Lilian's d.o.b., but I expect either she was being coy about her age, or (as A.J. died first) it was presumed she was the same age!! My records show July 30th 1888 - Births Sep 1888   Kibble  Lilian Maud    Holborn  1b 665. Certainly she was a whole lot older than him, but I am satisfied that it is the same Lilian! 

I take your point about available records and I am extremely grateful to RootsChatters who constantly spend such alot of time helping other people, including me, chase their elusive rellies!

Am I right in thinking that a Death Certificate is the best place to get the most info. - like in Australia? I do wish British Certificates were so informative!!

I'll digest all the information you have given me and be back later maybe on Rosina's trail!

Thanks again

Hazel
Goalen (Lancs., London, Leith)
Williams (Llansanffraid, Denbighs and Bala, Merionethshire)
Black (Northumberland)
Moore (London, Kent & Warwicks.)
Kibble, Dallaway, Miller, Batten
Herring, Rossiter, Rochford

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Re: Kibbles in N.Z.
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 12:45 GMT (UK) »


Well, I took the plunge and have ordered Rosina's Death certificate hoping it will confirm that William Ernest is indeed 'mine'!  This is because his age at death does not correspond to his d.o.b. by 17 years!  However, I shall also find out if they had any children.  Unfortunately I had supposed that Certificates were down-loadable as they are in Australia but they are not!  So I now have to contain my soul in patience until it arrives - probably a couple of weeks!

By the way, Newbe, Lilian Maud's d.o.b. was ok - obviously a typo!!

I am now chasing Archibald's children!  Watch this space!!

Hazel
Goalen (Lancs., London, Leith)
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Black (Northumberland)
Moore (London, Kent & Warwicks.)
Kibble, Dallaway, Miller, Batten
Herring, Rossiter, Rochford

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Re: Kibbles in N.Z.
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 13:32 GMT (UK) »

By the way, Newbe, Lilian Maud's d.o.b. was ok - obviously a typo!!


CORRECTION made in my previous posting,  to d.o.b. for Lilian Maude DID-DELL:    Year should have read "1887" [not 1897].    :D


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Re: Kibbles in N.Z.
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 13:52 GMT (UK) »

Good Heavens! It looks like she married her 1st cousin born 1876 in Manchester, brother to my Grandmother!!



Well, I took the plunge and have ordered Rosina's Death certificate hoping it will confirm that William Ernest is indeed 'mine'! This is because his age at death does not correspond to his d.o.b. by 17 years! s!



But the "William Ernest WILLIAMS death (in NZ) - 1924 - aged 48 years" suggests this man was born c. 1876.    ::)   ???



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Re: Kibbles in N.Z.
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 14:25 GMT (UK) »

Am I right in thinking that a Death Certificate is the best place to get the most info. - like in Australia? I do wish British Certificates were so informative!!


New Zealand Death certificates are not quite as detailed as those from some Australian States.   For example,  (in NZ) ONLY the "living issue" of the deceased person is recorded;  children's names are NOT shown (they're recorded only as male or female and age).

If you are only wanting to determine whether the couple in question had children, then a death record is the obvious choice, but it should be borne in mind that other information contained, may not be wholly accurate, supplied as it is, by a third party (the informant to the death).

The death record for Rosina will also likely only state "when/where and to whom, married" and note also that there is "no widower" :

The marriage record (1907) would contain details of the parents of both bride and groom, and is of course information supplied by the parties themselves.    "Printouts" (images of actual registers), rather than certificates, is the recommended purchase for all NZ BDM records.

To learn what information is contained in records, refer to the Resources section of this board  >> "BDM Information" :


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Re: Kibbles in N.Z.
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 14:25 GMT (UK) »


Well you see I put in 1930 as earliest date for Death!!  And up came a William Ernest aged 71 who died in 1964 - hence my reserve!!  I've now done it properly and found the real one - I am thrilled!!  So it has to be him!  However the Death Cert will hopefully give me other details (children etc.) that I can't hope to find with the Williams surname!   :-[

Thanks for pointing it out!

Hazel
Goalen (Lancs., London, Leith)
Williams (Llansanffraid, Denbighs and Bala, Merionethshire)
Black (Northumberland)
Moore (London, Kent & Warwicks.)
Kibble, Dallaway, Miller, Batten
Herring, Rossiter, Rochford

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Re: Kibbles in N.Z.
« Reply #24 on: Tuesday 03 November 09 14:31 GMT (UK) »


Our last posts crossed!  Shame there will be no children's names but it will be interesting anyway!

Hazel
Goalen (Lancs., London, Leith)
Williams (Llansanffraid, Denbighs and Bala, Merionethshire)
Black (Northumberland)
Moore (London, Kent & Warwicks.)
Kibble, Dallaway, Miller, Batten
Herring, Rossiter, Rochford

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Re: Kibbles in N.Z.
« Reply #25 on: Monday 07 December 09 01:05 GMT (UK) »
Hello Lucy2 & Newbe!

Sorry I have been so long getting back - yes, I received Rosina's Death Certificate but, in the end, it did little more than confirm her death (and give me exact date!) and husband and parents - they had no children!!  However, I have since found Archibald and Elizabeth's children (not the ones I had previously thought!!) and made contact with one of their son's wives (now aged 82!) who lives in England.

Thank you so much for all the help you gave me, I really do appreciate it!

All the Best,
Hazel   ;D
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Williams (Llansanffraid, Denbighs and Bala, Merionethshire)
Black (Northumberland)
Moore (London, Kent & Warwicks.)
Kibble, Dallaway, Miller, Batten
Herring, Rossiter, Rochford

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Re: Kibbles in N.Z.
« Reply #26 on: Monday 07 December 09 01:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Hazel

Thanks for advising of the outcome  ... we're always interested in hearing what further progress has been made.  :)

Happy to have helped.

Best wishes

Lu