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Scottish prisoners transported to the New World
« on: Sunday 01 November 09 14:49 GMT (UK) »
When Cromwell defeated General Leslie at Dunbar, over 600 prisoners were transported to Boston between 1651 - 1658 to work in the Iron works.  Looking for a list of those prisoners:  in particular the Surname of Kinner b. abt 1635 in Fifeshire, Scotland  d. in Ct. USA
Also, the Marshall family of Craigneuk between 1919 to 1925.

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Diane Marshall

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Re: Scottish prisoners transported to the New World
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 01 November 09 14:56 GMT (UK) »
welcome to RC Diane!

a little background info for those of us who don't know our history:

Over a career involving many dozens of battles, sieges, and skirmishes, Cromwell was beaten once: at Clonmel in May 1650, when he walked into a trap laid by Hugh O'Neill. The blunder cost him 1, 500 men. His masterpiece was Dunbar. There, in September 1650, he faced a well-equipped and trained Anglo-Scots force of 20, 000 under David Leslie. His own army of 16, 000 had been reduced by sickness and desertion to 11, 000 within a matter of weeks. Encamped with their back to the sea, it seemed that they were about to be rolled over by the Scots, who from their commanding position on Doon Hill controlled the road back to England. On the morning of 2 September Leslie confidently moved his army down the hill, preparatory to an attack on what he believed to be a demoralized English army.

But Cromwell had perceived a weakness in the Scots position. He saw how their left wing was crowded against the steep slope of Spott Burn Glen, thus unlikely to be able to deploy, and that the two wings of Leslie's army would not be able to support each other. He also saw a slight depression across the front of the enemy and under the cover of driving rain and darkness marched the bulk of his army along it, literally under Leslie's nose. As he launched the assault at daybreak, he shouted the words of the psalmist, ‘Now let God arise, and his enemies shall be scattered.’ Isolated from their comrades, the Scots right wing crumpled and the battle was over in barely an hour. Three thousand Scots were slaughtered and 10, 000 taken prisoner. Cromwell lost only twenty of his own men.


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Diddy
Cooks -(Clackmannanshire); Erskines - (fife); Youngs - (Dunfermline); Charltons - (Tyneside ); Skillings - (N.Norfolk); Legg - (N.Yorks, Tyneside) ; Carter - (Durham); Miller -(suffolk); Pattinson -(Lincs)

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Re: Scottish prisoners transported to the New World
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 01 November 09 15:01 GMT (UK) »
ok Diane, i have found some info at another RC site :

http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=pjmpjm&id=I2101

it gives details o fthe voyage and also says:

There is no passenger list for the 150 prisoners consigned to Augustine Walker, master of the UNITY, to be transported to New England. They were taken first to Lynn, where 60 were placed in the ironworks, operated under the auspices of John Beex and his partners in London.

however well worth a look.

Diddy
Cooks -(Clackmannanshire); Erskines - (fife); Youngs - (Dunfermline); Charltons - (Tyneside ); Skillings - (N.Norfolk); Legg - (N.Yorks, Tyneside) ; Carter - (Durham); Miller -(suffolk); Pattinson -(Lincs)

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Re: Scottish prisoners transported to the New World
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 10 April 13 20:59 BST (UK) »
Mr. Dan Jenkins of Weymouth, Massachusetts, USA located a list of Scot prisoners captured at the Battle of Dunbar on 03 Sep 1650 and deported to The Colonies aboard the Unity in Nov 1650.  This list can been seen at the R. Stanton Avery Special Collections Department at the New England Historic Genealogy Society in Boston, MA, USA.  I do not see an entry for a Kinner.  My ancestor, Alex'r Bow, is #7 on that list.  Can anyone recommend a starting point for research in Scotland with this little scrap of information?  Thank you very much.


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Re: Scottish prisoners transported to the New World
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 10 April 13 21:05 BST (UK) »
welcome to RC. if you know he was your ancestor what info do you already have about him? ie do you know wife /children / place of birth /further forward to help us?

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Re: Scottish prisoners transported to the New World
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 10 April 13 21:12 BST (UK) »
I would like further backward.  When/where was he born, parents, siblings, ancestors, etc.  I have no idea where to begin searching.  I have extensive information on his descendants in America.

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Re: Scottish prisoners transported to the New World
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 11 April 13 16:50 BST (UK) »
I understand you want to go further back. my point is - you know he is your ancester -why? how did you get his name/know he was involved with the scottish prisoners.

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Re: Scottish prisoners transported to the New World
« Reply #7 on: Thursday 11 April 13 17:40 BST (UK) »
Hello Diddy,

I know Alexander Bow is my ancestor for several reasons but the main points are the following:
1. His name is found listed on the Unity's prisoner document from November 1650.
2. His name is first found in The Colonies as a land owner in 1656 at Charlestown (now Boston), Suffolk County, MA, USA
3. He moved to Middletown, Middlesex County, CT, USA in 1658, was officially admitted as a citizen there on 24 Oct 1660, and died 06 Nov 1678 in Middletown.
4. I am not knowledgeable about DNA testing however...descendants of Alexander Bow fall into the R1b-U106* (R1b1b2a1a*) subgroup. Descendants exhibit a specific recombination event (RecLOH) that shows twin alleles at all of the following three markers: DYS459, DYS464 and DYS724 (CDY).  This is considered a rare subgroup.

Research has proven thousands of Alexander Bow's descendants however nothing is known of him prior to Sep 1650 at Dunbar.

I hope this answers your question, if not I can go into further detail about his life if you would like.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth