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Re: Robert Monteith - Irish Volunteers
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 11 November 10 09:37 GMT (UK) »
Thanks for the link- interesting stuff.  I will try and get a hold of the book my great grandparents are mentioned in and post an extract if I can.

It's fascinating stuff building a picture of family I only ever met when I was a baby from a time my father carefully shielded me from.

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Re: Robert Monteith - Irish Volunteers
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 11 November 10 11:45 GMT (UK) »
"Mystery Man on Banna Strand" see post 3 and 4 on this thread, is available online

One of the two books has his diary entries

Montieth got so worn down by it all that he only wrote the diary for a couple of months, and gave up in Jan 1916!

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Re: Robert Monteith - Irish Volunteers
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 19 April 11 16:29 BST (UK) »
I finally found his British Army service record - it turns out that he never got higher than Corporal in his extensive service in the British Army (8 years in the Colours and 8 years in the Reserves)

It probably is not therefore surprising that he had problems running the Irish Brigade and dealing with the German General Staff.

I was able to use the army record to get dates and places correct in his life during that time.
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Re: Robert Monteith - Irish Volunteers
« Reply #21 on: Wednesday 20 April 11 00:27 BST (UK) »
I too have found out more about my Great Grandfather - I didn't realise he was the first man to meet and shelter him when he arrived ashore.

Do you think Monteith's rank was the main reason he could not deal with the German military or more to do with their superiority complex or both?

Glad to hear you have managed to progress your research!   :)


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Re: Robert Monteith - Irish Volunteers
« Reply #22 on: Wednesday 20 April 11 07:00 BST (UK) »
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Do you think Monteith's rank was the main reason he could not deal with the German military or more to do with their superiority complex or both

It appears to have been a mix of both. The Germans believed that he has been a Sgt-Major rather than a Corporal, and the rank they gave him in Germany

1915 Oct 28 Casement writes to Wedel "If only I had an officer to take command most of my difficulties would disappear - but Mr Monteith will do in most respects to keep the camp in order. I am appointing him "pro tem" Commanding Officer of the Irish Corps"

And his recognition by the Germans seems to have been to Feldwebel-Leutnant a rank in the German army for vetern NCOs, that was commissioned, but below the rank of Lieutenant. He was therefore a commissioned officer, but only at this low rank. He was never a "Captain" in Germany. This made it "difficult" for him to deal with German General Staff
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Re: Robert Monteith - Irish Volunteers
« Reply #23 on: Monday 27 August 12 12:28 BST (UK) »
Finally got a copy from the 1950's edition of "Casement's Last Adventure", written by Captain Robert Monteith, which names my great grandparents.  My father owns a copy of the pre 1950's version with no names mentioned to avoid prosecution.  My great grandparents are mentioned in the chapter "Tralee, page 165-166.

He (Monteith) is taken to the hall of the Ancient Order of Hibernians which was under the care of my Great Grandfather (John O'Sullivan) and he stayed in a flat above there.  Monteith was playing cards late into the night with supporters.

"As we played a wire was brought in by John O'Sullivan from the stationmaster at Fenit. As far as my memory serves it ran: 'Germans landing arms at Banna Strand, reward offered for capture.'..." and later records, "I stayed the night in the flat occupied by John O'Sullivan who had charge of the hall.  O'Sullivan worked on the railway, and was on night duty, but his wife and her sister-in-law, Miss Elizabeth O'Sullivan, took good care of me."

My father, who stayed with his grandfather when growing up, tells me John was indeed a member of the AOH and got quite bitter in later years referring to De Valera as "that bloody Spaniard".  His mood probably wasn't improved by his fearsome wife, Ellen, who insisted they moved to Coventry- probably to ensure she had some say in the upbringing of her children and grandchildren there.

Does anybody know if the hall used by the AOH in Tralee still stands or if there would be any AOH records surviving?

Cheers all.

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Re: Robert Monteith - Irish Volunteers
« Reply #24 on: Thursday 05 September 13 20:00 BST (UK) »
I, too, have an interest in the photograph of group with Captain Monteith - and the other photographs in the series - Signal company, Cyclist Company, 'Ireland United is all that we ask' does anyone know where they were taken?

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Re: Robert Monteith - Irish Volunteers
« Reply #25 on: Friday 06 September 13 11:31 BST (UK) »
If you are referring to the photo I posted on 2nd Nov 2009 I'm told that it was/may have been taken at quote "Croydon Green near the Marino in Dublin" unquote.

Do you know any of the other officers in the photo?

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Drogheda, Co Louth - Magee/McGee
Dublin City - Brady, Magee/McGee, McNally, Sheridan, Taylor
Mitchelstown, Co Cork - Hyland, Martin, Russell
Ballyporeen, Co Tipperary - Russell

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Re: Robert Monteith - Irish Volunteers
« Reply #26 on: Sunday 08 September 13 07:50 BST (UK) »
Many thanks - Croydon Green! Are you familiar with the other photographs, as they appear to be part of series, ie - 'The National Volunteers - 1st and 2nd Battalions, Signalling Company' (in front of a Refreshment Pavilion), 'Ireland United is all that we ask' and 'The National Volunteers - A Cyclist Company' and 'Irish National Volunteers - Motor Scout'.

No real family connections (I think) but as they seem to have been in the family for years, I wonder.

Once again, thanks