Mortimers of Horton

[Myrrh]

One day I'll find out

[dobfarm]

Hi All

For other readers or Mortimer researchers.

I'm in direct contact by email with Myrrh so as above.

It seems most like Daniel sr Mortimer born/Bapt around 1700+/-  at Thornton missing years register.

So how do we find his Mum and Dad's names? Well we know that he died 1778 at St Peter burial register and there could be a  gravestone inscription epitaph that will give his age and maybe a family grave as they seem to have had wealth and parent grave stones near, then the father of Daniel sr may have had a Will. Then the last hope is Deeds as transfer of joint ownerships in the family mentioning the late or even alive then father those years also may say a sister bother or cousin mentioned.

Tough nuts do crack.

Dobby

[dobfarm]

Hi Myrrh

More  PHEW!

 Draw a line on a map from Clayton through  (thornton)-Shelf-Wyke(Wibsey) Scholes Hartshead to Robertown ( all scholesmoor) on a map.

CHRISTOPHER MORTIMER Marriage to SARAH WILBY  07 JUN 1676 Birstall,
 Yorkshire, England

To had to your Possibles and Paper Plan,

From Wills location only no direct link to Daniel only Properties

Based on John and Elizabeth Wills Mention Nephew Firth Of Shelf
They had property at Shelf and Scholes moor
submission iffy
John bapt 4th of may 1684 father Christopher Mortimer Robertown scholesmoor Birstall

Theres a submission of John born circa about 1680 Shelf died 1742 as his will

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(Daniel's Dad? Seculation only)Micheal Bapt 13 JUN 1686  Father Christopher Mortimer

Married Grace Firth 21 April 1712 at  Birstall
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?? Richard Bapt 3rd March 1677 of Christopher Scholes Birstall

Died 12 May 1701

[dobfarm]

Daniel Senior died 1778 as the Will Sibling

Thornton early registers missing 1700 -1720 Bts also Missing

?John Bapt 1710-1715 Circa Thornton Married Sarah Leach 2nd Oct 1732


James Mortimer born 1717 circ Prob Thornton of Daniel
 married Sussanna Shread Scholes Birstall 10 Nov 1742



Samuel of Daniel Mortimer 21 Jan 1721 Wibsey /Wyke marriage unknown

Daniels first wife Debrah Mortimer died march 1723 in Thornton register Wool Cloth entry. marriage Date and Debrah's maiden name unknown

Daniel Mortimer sr remarried Dorothy Scott 2nd Dec 1724 Bradford

Mary of Daniel Mortimar 24-sept 1725 Clayton in Thornton
Married Mr Daniel Bateman date unknown from Will

Daniel  Mortimer Junior Born of Thornton Circa IgI Flim 1725 ish  Marriage 20th Jan 1747 Bradford to Anna Rushworth

Hannah of Daniel Mortimer bapt 14 JUN 1730   Wibsey & Wyke
Married Mr William Davy date unknown from Will

[Myrrh]

I came across a partial transcription of Bradford Parish Church Burial Index, which began in 1642 with Richard Mortimer of Clayton, but only went up to 1670, ending with John Mortimer and Gennet his wife, of Clayton.

I just need to connect the two ends......

Myrrh

[dobfarm]

I spend the day at Bradford Library and Archives yesterday
Speculation on my part ** and all info input only
Findings

FindMyPast National burials Yorkshire Mortimer Daniel age 93 **burial 1823. (Need to pay to find more info)

Could be**
Daniel Mortimer Junior born 1725 to 1730 (Death age 93**) married Ann Rushworth 1747 burial 1823 Deputy Constable of Manningham 1778 to 1823** father of John bapt 16 NOV 1748 of Daniel and going by the start year could have taken over this position from is dad Daniel Mortimer senior in 1778
 
The 1778 amended of 1775 Will of Daniel seems to be the Daniel senior (as does Daniel 1763 deed with youngest    son Richard!) Daniel Jr, Samuel**   and Richard (Below b 1721)are mentioned as your above names in the 1775/8 Will (This 1778 death is not Daniel Jr married 1747 father of John of (Dad) Samuel 1780 bapt but is John's granddad)

Samuel ** was bapt 1721 in Wibsey of Daniel Mortimer Chapel lower moor Bradford before the 1725 Dorothy Scott marriage to Daniel Mortimer senior and Debrah Mortimer wife of burial died 2nd March 1723/4 (year ending March 1724) Thornton- Clayton again  just before Dorothy Scott marriage.

There is also Sarah of Daniel Mortimer of Thornton Clayton bapt 2 nd Jan 1689

There is no mention of Daniel Mortimer Death/Burial 1778 in (Mr Blackburns) MI's/Dedecations of any Church/chapel in the Bradford area only the St peter (Cathedral from 1926) Bradford parish entry Blacksmith.

There is no mention in the Marriage by bonds licence allegation marriages index 1680- to-1750


Therefore there is little chance of finding Daniel senior Bapt entry or his father as it seems both Wibsey and Thornton registers stop in 1692 from consistant entries each year to odd years Bapts -Marriages- burials 1700, 1705, 1710 and 1715 restarting as normal 1717 these are not missing but are blank pages. This seems as if some event stopped them! but left pages blank to fill later in both registers.

LAST HOPE
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Only a Will mentioning Daniel Senior will find his father, also the chance Daniel had his property left to him which seems likely as he signed his name X on the 1763 deed and labourer /blacksmith assistant > Hammer man (No apprentice records of Daniel Mortimer Blacksmith)-meaning he would not have made is own fortune son James was the Blacksmith and dad Daniel sr helped him ***

[Myrrh]

 ???Ahh well - where there's no Will, there's no Way!!! 

Thanks again for your efforts. Great detective work.


Myrrh

[dobfarm]

Many bunders, hit and miss and Luck! -not the Orthodox way but one gets results this way. Luv-ly place Bradford and get cheap/part free nosh up for pensioners at the town hall as long as its student cook attempts.

Luv It!

Dave

[dobfarm]

Hi

It seems there were 3 Daniel's by his Will Vol 69  1713 to 1714 Probate of Yorkshire- Daniel Mortimer of Horton Cum Clayton  W 61-64  (wife Deborah Mortimer as Thornton register died 1723/4 in Clayton Father of Sarah bapt 1689 in Clayton)

Think it dries up here! Brother of John? wife Elizabeth.

Records are just too poor.

Yorkshire WILLS INDEX starts 1698 Borthwick Insitute York Uni Actual Wills held there.

Deeds Index start 1704 WYAS Wakefield Deeds held there

One tried

bye zee bye

D/F