Mortimers of Horton

[Myrrh]

  Oh my oh my!! Chaos is right!

But it was Mary Mortimer who stayed single, not Martha.

I am beginning to panic now though, and think I need to go back to the drawing board.  I'm hanging on to the fact that this Samuel is a Wool Sorter and so was the one on the marriage certificate. Whether his wife was an Ann or a Hanna is the question now...(one of them) I think the Bradford Family History Society is going to be my best bet.

Thanks very much for bringing this query up....I think
Regards
Myrrh

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Sorry!     I think you need to look for baptisms for the children and see if a mother's name is given.  If you have followed them all through the census you can work out if the family stayed in one place and where the baptisms were likely to be.
Andrea

[Myrrh]

 :)Thanks, Andrea, I'll give it a go.

Myrrh

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In 1851 Ann is the head of the family age 74 and born Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk.
The others are all born in Horton
 Mary daughter unm 37
Maria dau 27 is a widow and has the surname Jenkins
Grandchildren all Mortimer
Elizabeth 17
Martha 10
Samuel 2
Edward 7
Next door are James 22 and wife Emma

Looks as if you want whichever church covered the Horton area.
Andrea

[Myrrh]

 

Wow, thanks Andrea, that will get me going again...

Best wishes

Myrrh

[Myrrh]

 

Andrea,

Just had to let you know....Having the knowledge that this Ann was born in Suffolk, has allowed me to find out that:

Ann Pyerah, was christened in 11/4/1779 at Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk, with a Father Joseph Pyerah and mother Elizabeth.

Then a Samuel MArtimer is listed as marrying a Nanny Pyrah in Bradford 1803.!!!!!So I think I had the wrong wives altogether!!!

Many thanks  Andrea for your guidance.- I wonder where the name Pyrah or Pyerah comes from? Will have fun finding out. But will have to redo my records - again.


 
Myrrh

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So glad.  I did see the Nanny marriage and wondered if that could be Ann.  I am being very thick and cannot find your Joseph on later census.  One of the problems is that there is another Joseph Mortimer b Bradford at about the same time.  I have found him married to Augusta in 1871 but can't trace him back in 61 and 51, even looking for his sons doesn't help.   I was wondering about the rags to riches story.  He did very well for himself.
Andrea

[Myrrh]

Hi,

Yes, Joseph is a bit elusive.  The Augusta in the 1871 census is his second wife, (I think it was bit of a Jane Eyre story, as she had been working as a governess).  Although perhaps she was a bit more sneaky than Jane Eyre. Joseph divorced my g.g. grandmother Hannah Clare Kennedy in 1860 and married this Augusta in 1861.
He divorced her for adultery, violence and drunkeness! But of course that's his side of things.  I think he must have taken his new wife off for a honeymoon, which is why he and she don't feature in 1861.   His sons, Joseph Jnr. and James, were put into boarding school and feature in the 1861 census there. My g. grandfather Arthur Henry,is staying with an Aunt, as he was too young.

Hannah, his divorced wife features all on her own in the 1861 census, in a lodging house.  Sad.   I don't know what happened to her, there are so many deaths for Hannah Mortimers, and Hannah Kennedy's come to that (she may have gone back to using her maiden name after the divorce).  She could even have gone back to Ireland, where she was born - but as she had been in England since at least 1841, where she is seen with her brother Peter Kennedy in Stockport, I doubt she would have gone back after all that time.

Fascinating isn't it?

Myrrh

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What an interesting lot. 
Andrea