Mortimers of Horton

[Myrrh]

I wonder if anyone can help to trace back from the 1841 census, in which Samuel Mortimer is 65, a Wool Sorter, born in the county.  I'm stuck in Ireland for now, so unfortunately can't visit the area, look round libraries etc.  Any help greatly appreciated.  His son, my g.g.grandfather, Joseph Henry Mortimer,  went on to be a partner in a cotton mill ownership,  Ashworth & Mortimer, Drill and Tick Manufactuerers of 42 Spring Gardens, Manchester.

Many thanks

[sillgen]

Hi Myrrh
If you can quote the reference for the census that will help us to find the right family.   Did he survive to 1851?    Where were all his children born?  As the 1841 census generally rounded ages down to the nearest 5 he could be aged up to 69.
Andrea

[Myrrh]

  Hello Andrea, thanks for your interest.

1841 census Public Record Office Ref: HO 107/1296/1. Borough of Bradford, Township of Horton. Is that what you need?

I believe the wife on this census, Ann, is not the mother of my g.g. grandfather Joseph.  I believe Samuel  was previously married to a Sarah Crabtree.  On subsequent censuses all Joseph says about where he was born is "Bradford". All the other children on the 1841 are down as having been born" in the county."

Incidentally, Mary, is definitely the mother of Martha, and possibly of Elsa and William too, as I found her visiting her married daughter Martha in I think the 1881 census and Mary is still unmarried then.

Joseph Mortimer married twice, once in 1844, where his father is down as a Wool Stapler. He instigated a messy divorce and remarried in 1861 and on this certificate his father Samuel is "Deceased".

If I've missed anything, please let me know - It's good of you to take an interest.

Myrrh

[sillgen]

The 1841 does not give relationships so Ann could be a sister or even sister in law not necessarily a wife.   The others are not necessarily children of Samuel on that basis either.     Do you have other proof that they are?   Marriage certificates etc?The births of the younger children will probably be on www.freebmd.org.uk   I read it as Eliza by the way.
There are a lot of entries for Mortimers in Bradford on the IGI so it is difficult to establich exactly which ones may be correct.
Andrea

[Myrrh]

Hi Andrea,  there is a marriage record of a Samuel Mortimer marrying an Ann Greenhough on 15th June 1805, so I assumed that was them as featured in the 1841 census.

Also, according to the IGI, on 12th October 1816 a Samuel Mortimer married a Sarah Crabtree, but for the life of me I can't remember why I assumed he had remarried this Sarah, when on the 1841 census he still has someone called Ann living with him :- I think it was suggested by another contact sometime, but I can't remember why I accepted it now.

 All I know for certain is that Joseph Henry Mortimer was my g.g. grandfather, that he was born in Bradford and that according to Joseph's first marriage certificate, his father was a Samuel Mortimer, Wool Stapler. and this Samuel was alive in 1844 and dead by 1861.

I'm not really bothered about the younger childrens' parentage, but these 2 Samuel Mortimers are a worry - if they are 2....!

[sillgen]

Samuel marrying in 1805 and aged up to 69 in 1841.   Joseph born when exactly?  Have you looked at the parish register for wherever Samuel married?  What is his occupation then?  Witnesses are useful too.
Andrea

[Myrrh]

Hi Andrea,

Joseph was born in 1821-2.  He is registered as dying in 1886 aged 65. How would I look at the Parish Register? I wonder if I were to join the Bradford Family History Society they would be able to help me... Is it possible to order a certificate from the details on the LDS site? That would be great.       I suppose the Marriage Certificate of Samuel Mortimer and Ann Greenhough would be best bet.   

Myrrh                                           

[Myrrh]

Hi Andrea,

I've just noticed that there is a research branch of the LDS in Cork City, which is my nearest city, so maybe, if their information is centralised, it would be a useful day out for me to visit and look through some microfilms etc.

Thanks

Myrrh

[sillgen]

You can't get marriage certificates as such prior to 1837.  The only source of information is the parish register which is why I asked if you had looked at it.  It will not give much information though.  Only names and ages, though it may say full age, and whether of the parish or not (at the time of the wedding so not at birth) plus witnesses.
You can order films to search at LDS centres - they take a few weeks to arrive usually.  They will also have burials on which can be very helpful.   Many a tree has been based on someone who died aged 6 months!  Looking at all the records for a name can help build up a picture of the wider family.
Bradford FHS may be very helpful - might even have done transcripts of the church registers.
I am just wondering why you chose that particular marriage when there are other possibles.  Ann and Hannah are often interchangeable and there is a submitted birth on the IGI for a Joseph in Tong (part of Bradford) and a marriage for Samuel to Hannah Marjerrison in 1806.
Googling Tong brings up some cemetery records which have a Martha Mortimer dying in 1921 age 71.    Possible if she did not marry?   Just trying to widen the search a little!    Probably causing chaos....  Ignore me if you think this is a red herring.

Andrea