All i know, John Joseph born Carnmoney about 1836. He married Bridget and had son Joseph born 1858, both ireland, no idea of area. At some point they came to Liverpool England and then to St Helens Lancashire, about 10 miles from Liverpool. Bridget died 1885 and John Joseph married my ggrandmother Ellen Robertson. I've no idea about his parents or possible siblings. I did find a soldier of Fulwood Barracks Preston Lancashire on 1851c age 15. Kept this info as a possibility. Could he have signed up at that age? Thanks for any help again. EMC