how do I find an address on census?

[Pat R]

Hi Toni,

She was a widow, aged 70 - her late husband was Richard Marsden, an extrememly wealthy merchant from Manchester (that 's why I thought it would be a good idea to find out about the house)

Best wishes

Pat

[toni*]

Sometimes when men died women would find themselves having to take up poisitons in a household maybe a governess for example so thats why i wondered if perhaps she was working for the family when she died
Governess' would often find poisitons away from their home towns.
but as the death cert.gives no occupation it is more likely that she was visiting.

I would suggest the next thing would be to do as you say and  check the directories and the electoral roll for that perios to see if you can see who was the householder (head of house)
You had to qualify to be able to vote though so depending on who owned the house and who was the head of household they may not be listed.

[jorose]

In the 1861 census it is hard to read but head of household at 20 George Street looks like Herman G***ner, wife Annie, a boarder Charles B? Fontana, commercial clerk. I think the couple are Herman Gwinner and Annie Cohan who married in Liverpool in 1857.  In 1871 I think they may be in Brighton on the Kings Road (on holiday, looks like - RG10/1085 folio 48 page 42) so they may be still at the 20 George Street address.

Another possiblity is the doctor John B. Potter who was living at that address by 1873 as shown in this letter he wrote:
http://www.bmj.com/cgi/reprint/2/678/770.pdf
(probably John Baptiste Potter)
In 1871 he's in the area lodging at 56 Conduit Street with another medical family.

And then books.google.com suggests (from the Journal of the Society of Arts, Volume 13) that in 1865 Albert Westhead and Edwd S Westhead were living there.  Now he is interesting because I think this is a Manchester link - in the 1871 census there's Albert Westhead, 28, an undergraduate at Cambridge living with his parents Edward and Harriet R and married sister Catherine Hare(?), all of them born Manchester but at that time living in Surrey.

The parents of Albert appear to have been Edward Westhead and Harriet Royle Chappell, in case those names ring any bells.

[polarbear]

Hello Pat

Who was the informant on the death certificate? If it was someone present at the death (as opposed to the Coroner), there might be a clue there.

Polarbear

[ShaunJ]

Hermann Gwinner is the householder listed in the 1869 PO Directory

[Pat R]

Hello everybody,

Thank you for all your replies - I don't think Ellen Marsden was financially in a position where she had to work.

Her son-in-law was the notifying person on the death cert (He was a vicar living in Devon)

None of the names mean anything unfortunately, perhaps she had gone to Lndon to visit friends or perhaps see a Doctor!

Best wishes

Pat

[ShaunJ]

Hermann Gwinner was a banker, managing the London branch of the International Bank of Hamburg in 1870. In 1872 he was appointed managing director of the International Bank of Hamburg and London Limited.

[toni*]

looks like he moved in 1872 with his new appointment then Mr Potter became resident in 1873

[Pat R]

Hi Everybody,

It looks like Hermann Gwinner was the owner at the time of her death - perhaps he knew her late husband, a merchant, who had branches all over the world, and probably in Hamburg.


Best wishes and thank you

Pat