help with medal card

[gig]

Hello
 im hoping if someone could answer a couple of questions about the medal card posted below  , when did he join up, he was born in 1899 and enlisted at birmingham and when and why did he join the yorkshire regiment , he died on the 7 th of september in a german pow camp aged 19
thank you in advance
gig

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[CaroleW]

Hi

Unfortunately - his medal card will not give you that type of information - you need his service record

The reason for him joining the Yorkshire Regiment will not be shown on any service record - it was presumably his choice

It will show when he joined up and where,  plus other details

The CWGC website does not show his parents names - just that he was the brother of Frederick T. Day, of 10, Curtis Grove, Wilford Rd., Nottingham.

Where was Clifford born

[mmm45]

Hi
He would have been conscripted the 1918 german offensive caused a lot of casualties and lads were moved to fill in the gaps in those regiments.

Ady

[forester]

Hello Gig,

I double-checked on SDGW, because the Royal Berks service number did not look right and came up with this additional information:

Born: Headless Cross, Redditch
Enlisted: Birmingham
Resident: Webheath, Redditch
Died, France and Flanders, 7th Sept 1918
Formerly 3869; 2/1 Berkshire Yeomanry

The service number 71417 certainly fits (1917 re-numbering).
2/1 Berks Yeo did not serve overseas and 1/1 were in Egypt 1917/18, prior to becoming a Machine Gun Corps unit.
Possibly Clifford was posted to 1/1 for a time 

Phil

[gig]

hello all
 
thank you for your time and help

carole thank you, ive looked for his record but presume it was burnt
as stated by forester clifford was born in redditch he was raised by an aunt his father died in 1905 and his mother was committed to an asylum for many years

ady thank you i thought he might have enlisted himself and earlier ,his brother joined up aged 16 in 1914


forseter thank you  for the information i presumr that clifford wasnt with the yorks for very long before his death

  regards gig

[forester]

Gig,

 I think I have worked it out.

He probably joined mid to late 1916, (3219 George A Lailey, joined May 1916), was compulsorily transferred to the Royal Berks (after March 1917), but somehow his Yeomanry service number has ended up on the Medal Index Card. Compulsorily transferred again to the Yorkshire Regiment.

Do you know when he was taken prisoner?

Phil

[BerkshireYeoman]

Hi Gig

Large draft of men were sent from the 2/1st Berks Yeo were transferred to the 4th Bn Green Howards in circa 1917. The 2/1st by the mounted on bicycles not horses were engaged both on home defence duties and the training up on conscripts. Wil conscription your were generally sent where needed and not nesessarily where you wanted hence a Birmingham man ending up with the Berks Yeo.

regards
Andrew French
Asst Curator Berks Yeomanry Museum

[gig]

hello forester and andrew
thank you for your replys

forester thank you for the information, from an excellent wecsite about the 1/4 yorks i would guess he was taken prisoner anytime between march and the end of may 1918 he is one of 8 yorks men buried at south western berlin cemertry

Andrew welcome to rootschat and thank you for the information i surpose its a case of filling the gaps were there needed ,i have another relative who was also born at redditch and he served with the 51st highland division


regards gig

[forester]

Hello Gig,

The reason I asked if you knew when he was taken prisoner, was that I found the service record of Roy Gilbert, Berkshire Yeomanry.

He joined 2/1 earlier than Clifford, but was compulsorily transferred to the Royal Berks 17/4/18 and then to 1/4 Yorkshire Regiment a day later (?).
He was reported missing 27/5/18 and subsequently found to be a PoW.

If you have Ancestry: http://www.rootschat.com/links/07da/

Phil