New Zealand birth - Phoebe SMITH

[Tensixty6]

Hi Christopher

Can you tell us please, the age listed for his mother Phoebe on that certificate ?

  ~  Lu

Greetings Lucy. Phoebe was 18.

[Lucy2]

I am seeking assistance for information on the parents of -

Phoebe SMITH. Born 04 Aug 1871, Karaka, New Zealand.
                         Died 12 Jun 1946, Heidelberg, Victoria, Australia.

I believe her fathers name was George, other than that, l have no further information.

I can't see where in this thread that the death date of Phoebe HASTINGS, has been given ??
[Ancestry.com has it recorded as - Year:  1945 at Heidelberg, VIC. ]

The date of death < 12 June 1946 > given above earlier (by Ronald), does however relate to a death in Dunedin, New Zealand, of a Phoebe ERDMAN born c. 1872, who was formerly the "widow" of a Peter LAWSON. (No marriage found in NZ).  {Burial at Port Chalmers Cemetery, Dunedin NZ}

This Phoebe ERDMAN has been "claimed" as the d/o George SMITH and Sarah Ann (or Hannah ) LAWRENCE in the Doherty-Dougherty Jan 2013 family tree showing on ancestry website.  There is also a photo of her.     
To spare duplication of information here, would suggest viewing the said tree on ancestry.   
[It seems that some info from Dougherty Tree has also been placed on the HASTINGS trees  at same website ?? ]

My feeling is that this Phoebe (d/o George and Sarah Ann), is not the person you are seeking.

  ~  Lu

[Lucy2]

Thanks Christopher  ... and ooops sorry, I see you'd already given Phoebe's birth Year of 1874. 

[Tensixty6]

1945 is correct Lucy, the 17 July to be precise.

Lucy, if you were in my place, would you go with the George SMITH / Sarah Ann LAWRENCE option, it certainly would be the easiest choice? The other choice is to pursue the James SMITH / Phoebe (maiden name unknown) as per Phoebe SMITH'S (Hastings) death certificate?

[Tensixty6]

Currently waiting on a birth certificate for Phoebe SMITH, born to George SMITH and Sarah Hannah LAWRENCE in 1871. In some respects it's probably a waste of time because there's no way that l can conclude definitively that the Phoebe SMITH in question is the right one. Of the 3 Phoebe SMITH's born in New Zealand in the 1870's, it would seem the most likely, the other 2 being in 1879.

[Lucy2]

Mmm ... I'm guessing that it's too late to cancel the purchase of that 1871 birth certificate ?

It might have been better to buy the NZ Death printout for the Phoebe ERDMAN who died 12 June 1946 at Dunedin - born circa 1872 (which should include the names of her parents).   

As I pointed out earlier, this ERDMAN lady has already been "claimed" by a researcher of the Doherty-Dougherty family who connect to George SMITH and Sarah Ann (or Hannah) LAWRENCE.
It does appear very likely that she was the daughter of this couple.

   ~  Lu

[Tensixty6]

Never thought of doing it that way Lucy. Oh well, it's only money. I've just reached the point where l don't know where to turn. Might have to give up on Phoebe.

[Lucy2]

1945 is correct Lucy, the 17 July to be precise.

Lucy, if you were in my place, would you go with the George SMITH / Sarah Ann LAWRENCE option, it certainly would be the easiest choice? The other choice is to pursue the James SMITH / Phoebe (maiden name unknown) as per Phoebe SMITH'S (Hastings) death certificate?

Sorry, I didn't get back to replying to above, earlier.
Yes ... I would have suggested not pursuing Phoebe (d/o George and Sarah Ann), further.

Or ... suggesting that if you have a subscription to the Ancestry website, then getting in contact with the owner of the Doherty-Dougherty Jan 2013, tree - who may have further information which might enable you to eliminate this 1871 Phoebe SMITH.

Maybe if you have another "spare" $20 or so  , purchasing the VIC birth record of the last-born child of Phoebe and Horace HASTINGS might be a worthwhile exercise ?     That way you could obtain further verification of Phoebe SMITH's birthplace plus have confirmation of all of the children born to the couple.  [ VIC BDM records contain a wealth of information - they truly are the "best". ]
It really is a pity that there is no "obvious" marriage record for these people.

I guess you already know that the images of historic BDM records for Victoria are available for purchase and immediate download from the VIC BDM website ?

I'll get back a little later with some further explanations regarding your search.

   ~  Lu