Shoemakers, Bootmakers, Saddler and Harness Makers

[meggy1]

Hi, according to the 1861 census, for the parish of Borthwick in Midlothian, Scotland
 
David Johnston age 63 occupation shoemaker, living in Chesterhill, Borthwick.

I think he might be my ggg grandparent.
Regards
Meggy1

[springtide]

My ancestor George BARNES was a cordwainer. His stats are:
b. 20 July 1820 in Budleigh Salterton, Devon
practised as cordwainer c. 1845 to 1890 in Mawnan, Cornwall
d. 24 April 1889 in Bristol, Somerset.
Regards

[gene007]

None of my relatives or forbears were saddlers or leather workers but I have just received a picture of an Old Phillips race bicycle from the 1940s. It is all rusty and has a square section drop bar stem. On the frame is this nice old leather saddle..and guess what; It is made by WILBY of Birmingham.

In the process of trying to trace the seat origins or roots I came to this site...I cannot attach the picture from the PC where I am . It is a WILBY No 28 in tan  leather with a steel frame and three compression springs.c 1947

[bexhillian]

Just found this site.  The following might be of interest.
Henry Wharton Worcester   1861 Boot Clicker;1871 Leather Staker; 1881 Glover;1891 Leather Staker; 1901 leather Dresser.
Alfred William Wharton -1881 Shoemaker; 1891 Glover; 1901 Leather Staker; 1911 Leather Glove plaker.
James Richard Wharton 1891 Calf Hide finisher; 1911 Boot dealer;1932 Boot deajer (Kelly's directory.
Henry A V Wharton 1891 Shoe finisher;1901 Bootmaker; 1911 Boot finisher.  All the above information taken from the censuses for Worcester.

Charles Henry Wharton Leather Finisher; 1901 shoemaker in Bodmin.   He was a son of the above Henry Wharton.

[bamc37]

My grandfather, Charles William Calder, born Kensington 1876, was a shoemaker.
His father, Charles Calder, born 1840, Blackburn Lancs, was a shoemaker.
His father, James Calder, born 1798, Scotland, (but lived in Blackburn/Liverpool), was also a shoemaker. and his wife Mary Calder (nee Jones) was a bootcloser.
On my maternal side my great,great grandfather, Abraham James Ward, born Bury St Edmunds in 1818, was also a shoemaker.
Regards
Brian

[Coomera]

GtGt Grandfather: Hugh Quinn 1809 Co Tyrone - shoe maker or boot maker in Finsbury, middx, in the '50's & 60's.
Step GtGt Grandfather: Daniel Dansey 1827 Finsbury Middx. Shoe maker in Finsbury.

Did these folks actually make boots and shoes or, like modern times, just repair them?   john.

[fifer1947]

I have 3 generations father, sons and at least one grandson all shoemakers/tanners/curriers in the village of Thornhill, Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire Scotland.  I'm still working on the other children of the four sons but so far I have.  Hope you can understand this complex family!

John Stewart 1741 - unk m 1768
[On his first son's birth entry 1769 his occupation is given as John Stewart Shoemaker of Thornhill]  He had 4 sons who followed in his footsteps.


i.   James Stewart, born 10 Jan 1769 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland (see notes); died Bef. 1861 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine.

1841 Parish Number 364
address Old Town Thornhill

James Stewart age 70 Tanner all born Perthshire
Hellen Stewart age 55
James Stewart age 20 Currier J

1851 parish Number 364

address High Street
Kincardine
Thornhill Perthshire

James Stewart age 82 Tanner born THornhill
Helen Stewart age 66 wife born Thornhill
James son age 31 born Thornhill Currier
Isabella  dau age 28 servant born Thornhill


ii.   Walter Stewart, [my direct line] born 16 Aug 1772 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland; died 18 Jun 1859 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland.

1841 Parish Number 364
Kincardine
address Old Town Thornhill
Walter Stewart age 60  all born Perthshire shoe M
Agnes Stewart age 60
Peter Stewart age 30

1851 Parish Number 364
High Street Thornhill
[next door to son Peter]
Walter Head
Agnes daughter

Walter's son Peter [my direct line] Peter Stewart was born 16 Apr 1809 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland, and died 05 Nov 1870 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland.

1841 Parish Number 364
Kincardine
address Old Town Thornhill
Walter Stewart age 60  all born Perthshire shoe M
Agnes Stewart age 60
Peter Stewart age 30

1851 Parish Number 364
High Street Thornhill
Peter Stewart age 42 shoemaker born Thornhill
Cathrina wife age 35 born Thornhill
Jean dau age 2m born Thornhill

1861 census
GRO 364/4  No 57 in Schedule
Kincardine Parish, Perthshire
Thornhill Village
House in High Street,
Name      Rel  Age  Stat Occ            Birthplace
Peter Stewart  Head 51   Mar  Shoemaker (Master)  Perthshire, Thornhill
Catherine Stewart   Wife 42   Mar  Shoemaker's Wife         Perthshire, Thornhill
Jean Stewart   dau  10        Shoemaker's dau          Perthshire, Thornhill
Walter Stewart son  8         Scholar             Perthshire, Thornhill
Alexander Stewart   son  8         Scholar             Perthshire, Thornhill
Agnes Stewart  dau  6         Scholar             Perthshire, Thornhill
Janet Stewart  dau  3                        Perthshire, Thornhill
Peter Stewart  son  3 mths                        Perthshire, Thornhill

iii.   John Stewart, born 03 Jul 1774 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland; died Bef. 1851 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine.

1841 Parish Number 364

address Old Town Thornhiill

John Stewart age 65 shoe M all born Perthshire (never married died bef 1851)
David Stewart age 55 shoe M  (brother see below)
John Stewart age 30 Tanner J (nephew son of Walter)
John Stewart age 20 Tanner J (nephew son of James)

iv.   David Stewart, born 22 Jan 1782 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine, Perthshire, Scotland; died 1860 in Thornhill, in the Parish of Kincardine.

1851 Parish Number 364
High Street
Kincardine Thornhill Perthshire
David Stewart age 67 Shoemaker [never married]

[brit]

My g'g'father James Bradley b1828 Tewkesbury, Glos worked in a shoe factory. His sons were boot riiveters or finishers.
My g'father Alfred was a boot maker in Worcestershire.
Most of the relatives were shoe or boot makers. My father did not follow the profession but I remember him having a shoe last and repaired our shoes and leather school satchels.
Can anyone tell me the difference betweemn cordwainer and a shoemaker? Is it just the location as my g'fathers father in law was a cordwainer from Scotland & moved to Worcestershire.

[busybod]

As far as I'm aware, a cordwainer and a shoemaker were one and the same thing.  They both made shoes and leather goods.  I dont know how the difference in names came about though.