Ryan - Glenough Rossmore, Cashel ?

[dryan]

Hi Jen,
Had a quick search, to see what I could find. Discovered a family in Glenough Lower, with a Mary who was born in 1819, and in 1901 was a widow. (so age profile would fit)
She had living with her a son Joesph and his wife, Ellen Ryan (born 1856) She would also fit the age profile, and it would not be unusual for two Ryans to Marry. Alternatively, her daughter Mary may have left to marry, and Joesph could in fact be her brother.There are also a number of children the eldest being Patrick (which suggests his grandfather was named Patrick!).
If you had any further details, it could really help, or maybe Meggo is a little closer to the ground (and records), as I am only a 'fine weather' resident of that noble region!!

[margotreedy]

Jen
I am not sure if you will see this reply to your post about Ryan of Glenough as your first post was a couple of years ago.  Did you progress very far with this family? I had a number of Ryans born in Glenough but a bit earlier than yours and wonder if there is any connection to yours.

One Ryan family - Michael Ryan married Mary Quinlan abt 1812 and had children mostly born Torio or Torho Glenough Rossmore Tipperary Jeremiah 1813, Johanna Eleanor (known as Judy) 1818, Bridget 1820, Ellen abt 1821, Margaret 1826, Patrick 1828, Phillip 1837, Catherine 1839.

The Johanna b 1818 (mentioned above)  and Michael Ryan b1823 Fana Rossmore Clonoulty (parents Thomas Ryan & Catherine Ryan) married in Rossmore 1840. They had 5 children that I have found born Torah Glenough Rossmore Tipperary - Thomas b 1841, Michael 1842, Catherine Mary 1846, Patrick 1847 and Mary 1850. In 1852 they migrated to Australia and had James, William and Ellen born in Queensland.  Patrick b1847 migrated separately with his aunt Margaret in 1859.  At that time they came from Cashel.

Thomas and Catherine Ryan also had a son named Patrick who married Bridget Kiely in 1848 at  Rossmore/Clonoulty.  This family also came to Australia in 1852, initially to Queensland and then moved to Victoria. Children born Ireland were John b1849, Thomas 1851, Qld born Catherine Anastasia b1853, Victorian born Thomas 1855, Philip abt 1856, Patrick abt 1860, Michael abt 1861, Margaret abt 1864, Bridget 1865, Hanora 1872.

It is a long shot but if you think you have any connections, please let me know.  Or if anyone else reading this has connections to the families mentioned, I would be happy to hear.
Thanks
Margot Reedy

[dryan]

Hi Margo,
We are probably related somewhere along the line, but with so many . Just for information, I think that birth place you mentioned should be Toragh, a townland next to Glenough. If you 'google' maps, click on Google Maps and type in Toragh, South Tipperary, it will bring you to the glenough area. Using the Google 'street man', you can look up Toragh Lane, where a bunch of cattle are happily blocking the little road!! You can make a virtual visit to my Summer bolt-hole in Glenough by typing glenough school house into the google search box!!

[margotreedy]

Hi Dryan
Thanks for letting me know about the spelling of Toragh.  I wasn't sure as I used the spelling from the christening documents, which were varied.  I suppose in those days people were not good at spelling even their own towns. 
Yes I imagine if your family has lived in the area for many years, somebody did cross mine at some stage.  It would be interesting to know but probably too complicated to find out.

Many thanks
Margot

[Cauthon7]

This may go unnoticed as it is so many years after the original post.

However, I thought I should add my own research on possible Quinlan / Ryan connections in the Clonoulty-Rossemore area circa the first quarter of the 19th century.

The earliest NLI record I have for my family is for a Jerry Quinlan and Ellen Humphries who had five (known) children; Darby “Jerry” Quinlan (January 1805 -); Judith Quinlan (June 1808 -); Ellen Quinlan (April 1812 -); Richard Quinlan (February 1815 - March 1880; Rossmore, South Australia) and finally Honora Quinlan (Aug 1825 - April 1907; Glenough). The only additional information I have for these individuals are for Honora and Richard. Records for the others haven’t turned up in my research. There is also a long gap between the births of the last two children, which I have been unable to explain or fill.

I know that Honora Quinlan married Edmond Ryan in February 1849 in Rossmore. The area of Glenough is also sometimes referred to on some of the baptism records as “Cold Harbor”.
Edmond was the son of Martin Ryan (abt. 1779 - January 1819, according to one of the few NLI death records and a local grave stone; https://tipperarystudies.ie/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Clonoulty%20Old%20Cemetery%20Gravstone%20Inscriptions.pdf) and one Mary Taylor (or Tailor) (dates unknown). Edmond also had a brother Philip (Feb 1812 - December 1836; according to the same gravestone) and an Uncle Thomas Ryan (abt. 1767 - October 1841)

I believe there were a total of 11 children between Honora Quinlan and Edmond Ryan. These were Mary (born May 1850 - presumed to have died before 1865 when the birth of another Mary was registered); Martin (March 1852 - Feb 1934 - married Mary Hennessy in February 1892); Jeremiah (November 1853 - February 1928 - married Johana Ryan in February 1900); Philip (January 1856 - possibly died July 1931 - married Margaret Ryan in February 1905); Ellen (July 1858 - March 1935 - married Thomas Moore in February 1882); Richard (August 1860 - died Jan 1939, Dublin - married Sarah Cregan in April 1898); Margaret (November 1862 - died possibly June 1954, South Australia - emigrated to Australia and may have married a John Quinlan); Mary (April 1865 - unknown); Johanna (abt. 1866 - died possibly May 1900 - married Cornelius O’Brien February 1895); Patrick (March 1867 - July 1921 - did not marry and was a school teacher); Honora (March 1869 - May 1957 - married Thomas Tuohy in February 1903).

Hopefully something here may ring a bell for someone and kick of a new chain of research

[Cauthon7]

To add further I should have given Edmond Ryan's details as born August 1817 (Rossmore) and died January 1900, with a will granted in 1901 that I have access to (http://www.willcalendars.nationalarchives.ie/reels/cwa/005014912/005014912_00225.pdf)   

[Kiltaglassan]

Welcome to RootsChat 

Edmond Ryan died at Glenough. The informant was his son Martin Ryan living at Gurteenamona (sic).
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1900/05770/4630769.pdf

Glenough Lower townland
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/kilnamanagh-lower/clonoulty/clonoulty-west/glenough-lower/

Martin Ryan and family in 1901 census.
Residents of a house 3 in Gorteennamona (Clonoulty West, Tipperary).
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Clonoulty_West/Gorteennamona/1705927/

Gorteennamona townland
https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/kilnamanagh-lower/clonoulty/clonoulty-west/gorteennamona/


KG

[Kiltaglassan]

.......Toragh, a townland next to Glenough.

https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/kilnamanagh-lower/clonoulty/clonoulty-west/toragh/
Glenough Lower is just to the west.
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5613962#map=12/52.6135/-8.1601

Martin Ryan and family in 1901 census.
Residents of a house 3 in Gorteennamona (Clonoulty West, Tipperary).

Martin Ryan and family in 1911 census.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Clonoulty_West/Gorteennamona/815376/

Martin Ryan died in 1934 at Gurteenamoe (sic). Note that the informant was his nephew, Tim Ryan living at Glenough.
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1934/04847/4307891.pdf

KG

[Kiltaglassan]

From the CIGO Guide to Irish Calendars of Wills and Administrations-
1934

RYAN MARTIN – 16 May Probate of the Will of MARTIN RYAN late of Gorteennamoe Gooldscross County Tipperary Ex-Farmer who died 28 FEBRUARY 1934 granted at WATERFORD to Denis Tuohy and Edward Ryan Farmers Effects £1660 11s 1d

KG