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Re: PATTERSON Scotland to South Australia
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 05:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Andy & Kris

Thanks for info .....I have just checked sa family history online resource guide for bdm & will try to order birth certificate for son william b 1857 and his marrige certificate 1882 which may give more info ...but unlikely to have anything re birth date for Alexander on death certificate in 1874.

Can either of you do alook up for Isabella & Archibald Simpson for me to see where they were living in Australia once they landed ?

regards michelle

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Re: PATTERSON Scotland to South Australia
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 05:43 BST (UK) »
Hi Kris & Andy

Sorry I seen to have the knack of posting just when someone else does ....yes Christian b 1836 Dollar died at sea, George b 1838 Dollar m Jane Lyon of Lt Hampton, Hugo b 1840 d 1842, John Ross b 1842 d 1842, Alexander b 1843 m Sarah Lyon of Lt Hampton, Jane b 1852 d 1853, Isabella b 1854 m William Marshall, and William b 1857 m Philadelphia Goodliffe nee Brooks at BlackRock nr Erskine/Orroroo in 1882

There is a big gap between Alex & Jane ...personally I would have given up or died of a broken heart from losing so many children .....it must of been a hard life for the early settlers...

Andy regarding your query on Alexander records .....the only ref we have is LSD marriage index with abt 1810 of Dollar so I can't get further without a date .to tie in parents....Clackmannanshire is small and boarders a few other counties Perth & Stirling in particular which makes it harder ....he did work as a bleacher in Dollar and was listed living with his wife & mother in law in a muster in 1835.  Thats all I have....


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Re: PATTERSON Scotland to South Australia
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 05:46 BST (UK) »
Hi Michelle

My knowledge (for want of a better word) is actually Scotland, my gggrandmother was a Paterson from Dunblane, Perthshire, which is only about 20 kms from Dollar. Pat(t)erson is quite a common name in Scotland. There were about 500 in Clackmannanshire in the 1841 census, and many more in the nearby counties.

The BISA entry seems to suggest father was George but is this someones guess ie 1st son named after fathers father, and an IGI submitted entry suggests born Dollar c1809 but is that also someones guess as he married in Dollar.

A quick check of the IGI shows only one nearby birth of an Alexander Paterson, father named George, christened 25th May 1805, Kippen, Stirlingshire. mother Hellen Galloway.  Kippen is only about 30 kms from Dollar.

Andy




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Re: PATTERSON Scotland to South Australia
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 05:49 BST (UK) »
Be sure to take a look through the SA Resources Michelle.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,280572.0.html

Details on SA certificates

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=368744.0

Not sure what you mean re the Simpsons. Both died in Mt Barker District. 1860 Archilbalds lists his residence as Strathalbyn. Do you have this information? Archibald was a ratepayer in the Bremar District in 1854 and registered a brand in the Kondoparinga District in 1855 (I think the districts amalgated)

Christian ROSS also died in Mt Barker so no clues there to the earlier years.

Cheers Kris  :)
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Re: PATTERSON Scotland to South Australia
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 20 October 09 06:22 BST (UK) »
BISA

SIMPSON Archibald born about 1813 Tillibody died 30 Sep 1860 SA residence Mt Barker religion Presb married Isabella nee ROSS born  about 1812 died 6. Dec 1862 Mt Barker SA children Margaret 1840, Emily Montgomery HILL
1842.

They do not appear in the 1841 census but I did find Alexander -don't know how I missed him  :-[



Thebarton - Page 110

PATTERSON Alexander 2 males under 7, 1 male under 35, 1 female under 35, 1 female over 50


2 doors away

ANDERSON Thomas 2 males under 7, 1 male under 35, 1 female under 14, 1 female under 35

The choices are under 7, under 14, under 21, under 35, under 50 and over 50

Kris  :)
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Re: PATTERSON Scotland to South Australia
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 01:14 BST (UK) »
Hi Kris & Andy

Thank you both for your all your kind assistance and information today!   I know this post is long but I wanted to address points by letting you know what I have already

Kris …..thank you for finding information on the Andersons living 2 doors away in Thebarton

No I did not have this information and was not sure if these families had kept together between landing and moving up to the Mt Barker area .....do you have an actual address ?

I have Alexander purchasing allotment 236 in section 1 in Light's Village for eight pounds on 2nd of Feb 1839 and he kept this property until 1873 (now 32-34 Kintore ave,Thebarton ..but would have been 32-34 South Terrace,Thebarton early on & name changed at some point later)

I believe from your info Alex&Jane would have had George & Hugo (died 1842) & Jane's Mother Christian Ross living with them I would say.   

Isabella & Archibald Simpsons daughter Margret b 1839 Tullibody married John Anderson b 1835 so he would be a child of 7 yo in 1841C...(they went on to have 13 Children together)

Re Simpsons I only have following  references to them living in Wistow /Strath area but no actual address and nothing for them before 1842...for up here in the hills.

I have Emily Montgomery Simpson b 1842 Greenside,S.A (not sure where Greenside is unless should be Greenhill a locality in the area?) marrying John Hill @ residence of James Forbes Mt Crawford in 1863

and I also found another daughter....Christian Simpson b 1837 Scotland married to John Dingle Coad (of Sandegrove nr Strathalbyn) in 1856 @ the residence of A Simpson of Kondaparinga.


.... and another reference to Morning Star rd which although it has been realigned basically runs off the top of "Woodcot" farm in Wistow. (This property was sold after Alexander’s death in 1874 and became the notorious "Eden Park" Salvation Army Boys Home)

How did you find the brand registration ???? I would love more details....

Andy

I agree Alexander certainly lived in Dollar area from marriage up to coming to SA but he may have been born anywhere and I need a date of birth to go any further ….I did find a property on the Back rd in Dollar also called "Woodcot" which is name of the farm in S.A. ….however I don’t’ know this means anything more than maybe Alexander or Jane admired it.........all the Ross children were born in Dollar & it appears they were all well educated and attended Dollar Academy with son Hugh attending for many years.....I found a reference to a will for John Ross - Jane & Isabella's father who died in 1828 in free search......do you know how informative will's may have been if made in this era?   

My strong favorite for Alexander's parents are an Alexander Paterson & Isabel Robertson (her father is named George from Stirling) or an Alexander & Isabella Patterson Tartan weavers from Bannockburn.....or is this too far away? I thought it was a possibility as Alexander worked in the bleach fields so his occupation may have followed on from skills &/or knowledge learned from parents occupation …..having said this however I haven’t totally ruled out the many Paterson  Miners from Dollar or Clackmannan …as some emigrated to South Australia …

Thank you both for your assistance & information……I feel a little more enthusiastic to keep going …..I will try to piece together as much as I can for these families particularly their early years …acknowledging & regardless of the fact I may not get any further with Alexander’s parents


I will also do as Kris suggested and go back through resouces links………..

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Re: PATTERSON Scotland to South Australia
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 09:21 BST (UK) »
Hi Michelle,

No sorry the address is not listed on the Census - just Thebarton. Better than some which are District A/B. City ones mainly do list a street but alas this does not. What I posted is all there is.

SA Government Gazette 14 Oct 1847

Crown Lands Office, October 13, 1847.
THE following persons having omitted to pay their last year's assessment for cattle depastured on the Crown Lands, the provisions of the Ordinance, No. 16, of 1817, intituled, An Act to facilitate the recovery of assessment under the Crown Lands Ordinance," will be put in force against all those who do not forthwith pay to the Colonial Treasury the amounts due by them

SIMPSON Archibald

SA Government Gazette 15 Feb 1855

DISTRICT OF KONDOPARINGA.

Notice  is hereby given, that I have assigned the following brands, in terms of section 18 of Act No. 5 of 1840, to the persons those names are underwritten, and who are ratepayers in the said District of

Kondoparinga:—

cs near ribs, numbers near ribs, Archibald Simpson, Angas.

Richard SCOWN,

Inspector of Brands for the District of Kondoparinga.

Cattle Registry Office, December 30, 1854.

I note Green Hill is in the same district as a brand was also listed this in this list of registrations by someone living there.

Cheers Kris  :)
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Re: PATTERSON Scotland to South Australia
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 21 October 09 09:52 BST (UK) »
The Register 26 Dec 1863

HILL - SIMPSON - On the 24 Dec at Glenhead, the residence of James Forbes Esq, of Taskervale, by the Rev H Tuck John only son of Mr George Hill, farmer Mt Crawford to Emily Montgomery youngest daughter of the late Archibald Simpson of Mt Barker. 

The Register 65 Oct 1860


SIMPSON
Archibald - On the 30 Sep, at his brother in law's residence, Mr Patterson, Woodcott, near Mt Barker, Archibald Simpson late of Tillibody, aged 47 years

The Register 16 Dec 1862

SIMPSON - On the 6 Dec, at Woodcote near Mt Barker, at the residence of here brother in law, Mrs Isabella Simpson aged 50 years

Cheers Kris  :)

By the way Michelle - I lived at Wistow for a short time many moons ago  ;)

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Re: PATTERSON Scotland to South Australia
« Reply #17 on: Friday 23 October 09 02:33 BST (UK) »
Hi Kris

Thank you so much for the last 2 posts which confirm Archibald must of at least been a rate payer and most likely living up here by 1840 ...........

I have found a few more births @ Greenside,S.A. so could be a locality ....some are Patterson's who I can't connect ....however Alexanders son George married Janet Lyon in 1861 (and owned Sec 2814 Hd Macclesfield in 1864 ) and I found some of their children where also born @ Greenside .... I wonder if this property was Archibald & Isabella's originally and he may have been working it & then bought it ? 

I will ring a local real estate agent who I know had a fair bit to do with a heritage survey of the area some years ago and has a lot of local knowlege......he maybe able to provide some clue as to where Archibald was & where Greenside is/was ...

The Hd of Kondaparinga runs out of Strathalbyn township to the west along the Strath to Goolwa rd  and up to Meadows
Hd of Macclesfield runs out of strath to the North west and includes Maccelsfield,Wistow,Bugle Ranges and area's just to right of Mt Barker - Strath rd (which becomes Morning star rd @ Wistow on the boundry of "Woodcot" farm) and pulls in Wistow end of Wellington rd

Hd of Bremer runs  south out of Strathalbyn & below Strath - Goolwa rd to west  and along rd to Langhorne creek to the east and includes an area called Angus Plains  to east and Giles Flat to West (nr Sandegrove) where John Dingle Coad,who married Archibald's daughter Christine, lived.

Hd of Strath takes in east including woodchester area

Not sure where in here Archibald may have been....... I also found a reference to Rankine family owning a farm called Braemar on Paris creek rd  ......they are conected to other Pat/tersons from Barr,Ary,SCT ... who settled in the area (not sure if connected to ours )

It nice to see the family's all apparently stayed pretty close .& looked after each other ..particually re Archibald & Isabella's deaths ......

How long ago did you live @ Wistow?  I not sure if you have been up here lately but the way things are looking it will most likely be all housing developments right up to Wistow before too long....

Mt Barker is very very busy place ...roads are not copong to well with all the traffic ....really bad trying to find a car park anywhere in main street now!

Regards Michelle