PATTERSON Scotland to South Australia

[krisesjoint]

Hi Michelle,

I assumed by the brand reg that Archibald's residence  at "Angas" I thought  it may have been the property name but looking again others at Angas also registered brands including William RANKINE so perhaps it is Angus, note persons at Angas Survey also registered brands. Most seem to be just areas (Meadows, Finniss, Green Hills) but this one seems like property "Rushburn Farm" Nicholas COAD Sen and Jun registered brands at Mosquito Flat.

I lived in Wistow in 1972. - there was nothing there. I doubt that I have been out that way since the late 70's either. Did pull in to Mt Barker a few years ago and was quite blown away by the growth.

Cheers Kris 

[krisesjoint]

The Rankines originally lived in a tent according to The Cyclopedia of SA Vol 2 - 1907/9 (where the school now stands) William RANKINE'S son Andrew is credited with being the first white person born at Strathalbyn in 1841. His resldence is now Rushmore 2 miles from Strath. William Melville RANKINE  is at Woodburn," situate on the River Angas, in the Bremer district, about seven miles from Strathalbyn" I believe this was his father's property. His father was Williams firstborn Matthew. William Melville was born on this property. They all seem to have been involved in Lodge and The Presbyterian Church. Some lovely pics - pity they are not your ancestors.

I did also see other births listed at Greenside nr Macclesfield, but can't find it anywhere......Kris 

[joanofacre]

Hi Kris

Thanks for that last info ...I did see a ref to Mosquito Flat somewhere but can't find on google map ....may have been to do with birth of children of Christian Simpson & John Dingle Coad....I have also just found strath have a family history room so I will try to find contact details or get down there when it next opens ...I will let you know how I go!



michelle

[krisesjoint]

WHOOEEE Michelle,

Look what I just found in South Australians 1836-1885 (The follow on to the BISA)

PATTERSON Alexander - parents Joseph and Elizabeth KIRK, born 10 Apr 1911 Scotland died 8 Dec 1874 Mt Barker, buried Mt Barker,
He arrived 16 July 1839 from England aboard the ASIA
Occupation - Bleacher. Residence Mt Barker.
Religion - Presbyterian.
Married - 23 March 1834 to Jane ROSS who was the daughter of John and Christina nee HUTCHISON She died 13 May 1870 and was buried at Mt Barker.
Children Christina 1836-1839, George 12 Dec 1838 - 24 May 1896, Alexander 11 Dec 1843 - 5 Dec 1924, Isabella MARSHALL 20 July 1854 - 11 May 1919, William 24 May 1857 - 23 Jun 1938.


The Birth details provided appear on the IGI in Clackmannan (Extracted record) 

It is submitted so no guarantees - Submitter may be different to the BISA as a different father is given. (or maybe more information came to hand) Anyway this Submitter also has an entry for LYONS so possibly from one of those lines. Will PM details, no Ph listing that I can see but the name may mean more to you. 

Cheers Kris 

[joanofacre]

Hi Kris


I have a old family history book which gives a few possible parents for Alexanderand this was one of the couples ....however I have been dismissing them as I think I checked it out before then found they had two Alexander Patterson children the one in 1811 who died & second was born about 1813... I will have a look tonight in my messy notes and see if I can find again .....I think I must of thought 1813 too late however you never never know .......also no one seems to name their children Joseph .....I think this Joseph was considered because he was a carter and may have had something to do with the linen fields in Dollar thus Alex becoming a bleacher ....Archibald Simpson's occ was listed as a carter on his marriage certificate to Isabella ..............

I will let you know what I find in my notes............


Thanks Kris

[joanofacre]

Hi Kris

Quick update...will try to contact person from lsd records to see if they have more info re dob ...when I checked my records it was another couple who had two alexander's so this person may have found a date to link...the other suggested parents were James patterson & janet harley...

So worked on Hugh Ross b 1818 Dollar and found a few intresting bits & pieces....he is son of Christian nee Hutchison & brother of Jane patterson & Isabella Simpson ...he stayed in scotland...
1841C living 8 Roxburgh tce,St Cuthberts,Edingurgh,Midlothian. Linen Draper Shopman.....
1851C living 12 Beaumont Place. Draper & Shirt Maker with wife Emily Montgomery & daughters Marion Montgomery Ross 3yo, Christian Hutchison Ross 1 & servant...
found another daughter Elizabeth Anderson Ross & son John Alexander Ross on IGI....
checked 1841C for Emily Montgomery & found her living Clerk St, with mother Elisabeth, sister Grace,Marion,Helen (s/law?)& Alexander ...also Andrew Paterson 40yo?
Found Marriage for Alexander Montgomery & Elisabeth Anderson daugther of William Anderson IGI...
so I will see if I can find more on Thomas Anderson & Agnes Gourlay to see if there was also a link with this family before arriving in SA.

[krisesjoint]

From the applications for free travel

2 Feb 1838 agent Geo RAE

SIMPSON Archibald Lab from Edinburgh Lab married Male aged 23, Female aged 23 1 girl aged 10 months
PATERSON Alex Ploughman from Dollar Field Clackmannan Married - Male aged 28, Female aged 23, 1 boy aged 11 Months, 1 girl aged 3
ROSS Christian Lab from Dollar Field Clackmannan Single aged 49 - Comment - PAYS

18 Dec 1838 There was another Alex PATERSON a few years older also applied for free travel - He was from Tillibody Clackmannan single aged 34 agri lab

Cheers Kris 

[dasinaus]

Hi Michelle (and others)

Just getting back into my family history after a bit of a hiatus and found your post.  Archibald SIMPSON and Isabella nee ROSS are my great-great-great-great grandparents, so seems we are distantly related!  I am descended throught their daughter Margaret, who married John ANDERSON, as mentioned in postings elsewhere.

In my efforts to discover more about Archibald, I kept coming across records of your Alexander PATTERSON and have come to the same conclusion as you - the two families were inextricably linked.

The best link comes from an article in the Eudunda Family Heritage Gallery newslettter:
  http://eudundaheritage.com/gustav's_newsletters/gustav_newsletter3_September_2001.pdf

On page 3, is a quote from Christina Ross which I absolutely adore: “If Sandy goes to Australia, then I am going too!”

The reference is given as "Among the Pioneers", the Alexander and Jane Patterson Family History.  I have never got around to following it up, but it sounds as though it could be invaluable to your research.  I assume the Eudunda history group at least has a copy.

Another useful source MAY be the diary of the physician aboard the ASIA (the ship in which they emigrated in 1839), which is currently held by the SLSA, and is accessible in their reading room.  I have found the reference to the sections where the eldests PATTERSON and youngest ANDERSON child died, and there may be other references to the families.

I would be interested to hear if/how you resolve Alexander's birth.  I am in a similar position when it comes to Archibald SIMPSON, although the records for my ancettor seem even more scant


Darren

[joanofacre]

Hi Darren,

Great to hear from you! I am actually the partner of Sandy's Great-great-grandson, born in Eudunda. I have a scanned copy of the family history book if you would like me to send it to you it has been a great help however as it was compiled in the years before records were as accessable as know there is a bit more info that I have found which would not have been available to them at the time....after Sandys death his son's William & Alex [jnr] took up land at Orrooroo, William then bought top section of Anlaby Station at Eudunda where his great- great-grandchildren still farm today.
I have a copy of Isabell & Archibalds marriage certificate if you would like a copy....John Anderson & Margaret Simpson are buried in Nairne cemetery and I am happy to send a photo if you dont have one..I would love to swap notes with you and see if we can track down Archibalds parents ...I have had a bit of a go and have some possible candidates but again without an actual date of birth it is hard to tie parents down.

Kind regards Michelle