Help please: immigration to Queensland DRUMMOND 1880s and 1890s

[eltelf]

Hi Judith,

That is fantastic - Emma Drummond was Emily's cousin, born 1863 in Peckham, London. 

The Drummond brothers (Richard and John) moved from London to Gateshead; they married two sisters, both had big families, and gave their children the same names, so it is difficult to work out which is which. 

It is Richard's daughters I have been tracing - but I suspected that two of John's daughters who disappeared from the records might also have emigrated to Queensland - Emma Drummond, born 1863 and Catherine Drummond born 1871.

Re finding the girls on census: they are there, but the family's ages appear incorrectly on the 1881 census (the only one that Emily appears on). I am attaching the 1881 census record for Richard Drummond's family.  You can see that the ages have been changed - and they are all wrong by ten years (e.g. in 1881 census Elizabeth's age is given as 23, she was 12; Emily's age is given as 17 - she was 7 or 8; Margaret's age is given as 9 - she was 4).  I have no idea why the ages were changed like this, but I believe that Richard and his wife Charlotte could not read and write (they made their mark on marriage certificate) so the census may have been completed by someone else.

Many thanks again for this excellent information.

Best wishes,

Lesley

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[eltelf]

Hi Ruskie,

Thanks very much for your offer - I may take you up on it, but I seem to be picking up a lot of the info I need from the excellent people on this list. 

Delighted that i appeared to be based in Aus!  But as I said earlier, I am just using very detailed information passed on to me from a family researcher in Queensland (now sadly dead, I believe).

I am based in London, England, although frequent visitor to Newcastle and Gateshead where we have relatives - the Drummonds are my husband's family (my ancestors went to NZ!)

Best wishes,

Lesley

[Ruskie]

OK fair enough Lesley, but give me a shout later if you need those lookups. 

Here is a link to the Qld State Archives website which indicates the records they hold. Many are gradually being put online but I believe online immigration records are still incomplete:
http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/

This might help you locate bmd's for the family:
https://www.bdm.qld.gov.au/IndexSearch/BirIndexQry.m
(searchable dates are limited)

[judb]

There are lots of Drummonds on the Qld archives shipping site so it would be well worth you having a look.

Not meaning to 'steal your thunder' Ruskie but I find the Qld archives site really hard to get around and have this extra bit in the address which leads straight to shipping.

http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp

Cheers, Judith

[Ruskie]

There are lots of Drummonds on the Qld archives shipping site so it would be well worth you having a look.

Not meaning to 'steal your thunder' Ruskie but I find the Qld archives site really hard to get around and have this extra bit in the address which leads straight to shipping.

http://www.archives.qld.gov.au/research/index/immigration.asp

Cheers, Judith

Funny you should mention that Judith, but I was very tempted to add "if you can manage to find your way around the site" in case Lesley had problems.

I always get lost on the site and seem to keep getting things I don't want when searching.

And all the immigrations aren't on the site yet either so it's worth checking the cards as well as the books at the Archives.

[eltelf]

Thank you again Judith and Ruskie. 

I had a look at Queensland Archives site - my first reaction was 'Oh help!' but when I tried again and followed your direct link I got to the alphabetical list of immigrants 1848-1912, which is excellent.  As you say, several Drummonds there and I will check if any might match the families here who 'disappeared' from census records in England and I think might have emigrated.

But I would like to take you up on your offer Ruskie, and ask if you could see if there is any more information about Elizabeth Drummond's arrival in the card indexes.  Elizabeth seems to have been the first of the Drummond girls to come out to Queensland  (arrived on Duke of Buccleuch 6 December 1887).  I feel she may well have been going to join some member of her family who had travelled out earlier - someone that I am not yet aware of - and there might just possibly be more information that you might be able to dig out that is not available online.
 
I thought I had cracked the puzzle over Elizabeth's cousin, Peggy Woods who supposedly travelled out with her:  I found a relative called Margaret Ward, born December quarter 1862 (Elizabeth's father's cousin) who could just possibly have become reported as  'cousin Peggy Woods' in information passed down through the family - but on the immigrants list I could only find these two, who don't really match (although the second might, at a push, if she was knocking a couple of years off her age - but she arrived after Elizabeth, not before): 

Margaret Ward, 36 (b 1848), Southern Belle, 6 March 1874
Margaret Ward, 26 (b 1865), Merkara, 23 March 1891

There are also these two, who have the right name, but I can't find them in UK records yet or fit them into my family:

Margaret Woods, 24 (b 1857), Carnatic, 25 October 1881,
Margaret Woods, 36 (b 1850), Quetta, 6 April 1886

As always, thanks for your help.  I do appreciate it!

Best wishes,

Lesley

[Ruskie]

Lesley,

As you have now "mastered" ( ) using the immigration indexes on the Qld State Archives site, have you looked through the other Drummonds? You can group them into families by ship and date of arrival. If any of these look familiar I can check the films to see if further information is given about them.

Of course Elizabeth may not have known anyone in Australia, and perhaps she just came here for the work and the adventure. You may not find other family members who arrived before her. Many young women did the journey alone. Or she may have neighbours or family friends here who sent for her - any number of scenarios could apply.

I might try to get to the Archives tomorrow, and if I can't, I will go early next week. 

[Ruskie]

Hi Lesley,

I did some searching for your Drummonds today.

I think that your original source might be wrong about Katherine's immigration. You said she arrived in Australia in 1890 on the "Duke of Norfolk". I couldn't find a C/Katherine Drummond arriving that year. I checked the Ship's Arrival's Book and the Duke of Norfolk did not travel to Australia that year - it did 2 trips in 1899, 2 trips in 1900, 3 trips in 1901 and 2 in 1902. However I did find a couple of possible alternatives for your Catherine.

As you know, there are many Drummond immigrations on the online index, and that is before checking for more in the card indexes.

I couldn't find Peggy Woods on "the "Duke of Buccleuch".

"Duke of Buccleuch" sailed from London on 5th Oct 1887 and arrived Brisbane 6th Dec 1887, Capt Langlois.
Free passengers disembarking Townsville:
Drummond Elizabeth, female, occupation or calling: DS (domestic servant), religion: protestant, county or country: Northumberland, remarks section is blank.
[just as an interesting aside, 2 infants died on the voyage and there were 5 male stowaways  ]

So you see, very little information ....

"Jumna" sailed from London 25th Aug 1888 arrived Brisbane 13 Oct 1888. Capt Burkitt.
Free passengers Townsville:
Drummond Emma, 25, female, DS, RCath, from Midd (Middlesex I imagine). On the same voyage was Emily Drummond age 16 - all other details the same as Emma's.

"Taroba" sailed from London 20 Nov 1888 arrived Peel Island quarantine 7 Jan 1889 landed Brisbane 11 Jan and Immigrants on 15 Jan 1889.
Free Townsville:
Drummond Kate, 18, DS, RC, Northumberland
Drummond Catherine (exactly the same details as above - I wonder if she was counted twice or perhaps there are two and they're cousins?)
arrived Townsville quarantine 2 Jan 1889, released 14 Jan 1889. I thought this sounded as though there was illness on board but there were no more deaths than usual).
Does this sound as though it might be your Catherine?

Is this one of yours?:
"Jumna" sailed from London 25th July 1890 arrived Brisbane 13 Sept 1890. Capt Smith.
Free Townsville:
Drummond Ellen, 28, DS, protestant, Northumberland

"India" sailed from London 14th Dec 1891 arrived Brisbane 5th Feb 1892. Capt Johnston.
Mackay Free:
Drummond Margaret, age 16, DS, she could read and write, RC, from Durham

Let me know what you think so far Lesley. I hope this all makes sense and that they're the correct girls. Did you know some of them were Roman Catholic?

I did run out of time so if you want more lookups please ask. 

[bramcor]

I've read this thread with great interest, partly because I'm researching my g-grandmother who arrived in Qld in 1883 as a young single woman, & I've often wondered what prompted her to travel all this way. I'd love to know where you found those ads - my g-grandmother came on the "Northern Monarch" & the records I found online show many single women on the ship, as well as a woman who looked after their welfare so I had assumed she might have come as a result of some sort of ad push. She disembarked in Rockhampton, but ended up in Mackay nearly 20 years later with her young family. If I can help you with modern day pics of Mackay or historical info I could find at the library, let me know. You mentioned the name Wallace - one of the women who writes for our local family history society has that name. Wonder if there is a connection?