Seaman M S

[DeeBoneham]

I think Karls father was Kristian Andersen and that he was a Master Tanner.  Her Father Frederick was a Master Tailor. Its interesting that they were listed at the same address for date of marriage.  Was he living with his future parents in law I wonder.  I agree with your other posters who say he is a ships boatswain.  Quite a responsible job that one.....
It might be worth googling the name of the ship he was listed as sailing with as my friend found a pic of the one his grandfather sailed in.
Dee

[turfy]

Thanks Dee.
I have been trying to find a pic of either of the two ships 'Lillian Morris' or the 'Holden' but no luck so far.
Regards.

[macintosh]

Garry'
Some info that may be of use in your search for a pic of Lillian Morris.

Registered Number 1073131,
Barque 806 tons.
Launched July 1875 at the Pallion Yard, Sunderland.
Sail only.
In 1917 engined with 2 diesels and became 3 masted schooner.
1902 became Pasqualino
1917 became Paysandu
1919 became Ibaizabal
1923 became Maria Luiza

In March 1929 caught fire and sank and was later broken up.

I have been unable to find a pic of her anywhere and there is no mention of her on Lloyds,
The same applies to the Holden, are you sure of the name and the spelling of Holden? because there are some names similar but not exact.
The owners names of  Lillian Morris suggest she was either Portugese registered or Brazilian after she was sold in 1902.
Therer are ships named Paysandu and Maria Luiza though they are more modern and not the ones you are looking for.

Regards
James

[gagsy]

Garry'
Some info that may be of use in your search for a pic of Lillian Morris.

Registered Number 1073131,
Barque 806 tons.
Launched July 1875 at the Pallion Yard, Sunderland.
Sail only.
In 1917 engined with 2 diesels and became 3 masted schooner.
1902 became Pasqualino
1917 became Paysandu
1919 became Ibaizabal
1923 became Maria Luiza

In March 1929 caught fire and sank and was later broken up.

I have been unable to find a pic of her anywhere and there is no mention of her on Lloyds,
The same applies to the Holden, are you sure of the name and the spelling of Holden? because there are some names similar but not exact.
The owners names of  Lillian Morris suggest she was either Portugese registered or Brazilian after she was sold in 1902.
Therer are ships named Paysandu and Maria Luiza though they are more modern and not the ones you are looking for.

Regards
James

[gagsy]

I've got an oil painting of the Lillian Morris under sail! My Great Great Grandfather, David Jones, was a captain sailing out of Aberaeron, Mid Wales. Family lore has it that he was her master. I would realy like MacIntosh to let me know how he found out so much about her.

[macintosh]

Gagsy,
I have been racking my brain to remember how I obtained the info re the barque Lillian Morris and I am almost certain it was via the website www.miramarshipindex.org.nz  This used to be a free site back in October but now you have to register and pay to view. I have done a lot of research for my own family mercantile and Royal Naval history, however there are some other sites I have used namely www.plimsollshipdata.org  (site down for maintenance at the moment ) and photoship.co.uk.

Hope this helps

James

 

[turfy]

Hi Gagsy

I don't suppose you could take a photo of the painting and post here by any chance or email? I would love to see it! I have been searching for ages to find any kind of photo of her..
Hope you don't mind me asking.
Many Thanks

[gagsy]

Hi Turfy
I attach 2 picies of the Lillian Morris. One full one and one detail of the name, I had to use a low number of pixels to keep the file size down. Hope you can see the flags. I am no expert but I have looked up the signal she is flying and it appears to read "metal ship - going backwards - under mechanical power - read above flags in the opposite" The artists little joke at a time when metal mechanically powered ships were taking over.
Regards
Gagsy

[gagsy]

Can anyone confirm or otherwise my reading of these flags?
Gagsy