Seaman M S

[turfy]

Hi Seaweed

I only know that he had died by 1931 as it states this on his daughters marriage certificate.

Yesterday I received his marriage certificate, I can't scan it until tomorrow.....

Unfortunately I can't read his profession off the form so will attach a scan as soon as I have it. It certainly does not say Captain (maybe he worked up to this after marriage, or as you say perhaps it was just folklaw) - it reads something like Ships Bxxxxxxxx M. S.

He was married 2nd march 1908 in Newport, South Wales age 32 - his name here appears as Karl but as Charles on his daughters marriage certificate, so I assume his name was Charles Karl Andersen (or Karl Charles).

Thanks for all your help and interest - I hope you will be able to read the certificate better than I can as I cant make out his fathers name or profession either!!

Hope to be able to post the scan here tomorrow or by Tuesday...

Regards

[macintosh]

Hi Turfy

 If the form says  Ships Bxxxxxxxx   - it is probably Bosun (Boatswain)

James

[casalguidi]

I assume his name was Charles Karl Andersen

Charles would be the English verson of Karl so it would make sense as to him being or European origins somewhere along the line.

Casalguidi

[turfy]

Hi Macintosh and Casalguidi.

Yes, I think the word may well be 'Boatswain' and interesting that Charles is the english version of Karl...

Many Thanks both.

[seaweed]

Hi Seaweed

I only know that he had died by 1931 as it states this on his daughters marriage certificate.

Yesterday I received his marriage certificate, I can't scan it until tomorrow.....

Unfortunately I can't read his profession off the form so will attach a scan as soon as I have it. It certainly does not say Captain (maybe he worked up to this after marriage, or as you say perhaps it was just folklaw) - it reads something like Ships Bxxxxxxxx M. S.

He was married 2nd march 1908 in Newport, South Wales age 32 - his name here appears as Karl but as Charles on his daughters marriage certificate, so I assume his name was Charles Karl Andersen (or Karl Charles).

Thanks for all your help and interest - I hope you will be able to read the certificate better than I can as I cant make out his fathers name or profession either!!

Hope to be able to post the scan here tomorrow or by Tuesday...

Regards

This is a very long shot but if it works it may be the key.
As I said in an earlier post researching seaman between 1857 and effectivly 1919 is made difficult by the fact that no central register of seamen were kept between those dates. However it maybe that he was at sea after 1919 (there is no record of him being lost in the first world war) if so he may have a record in the Fourth register of Merchant seamen.
The best way to obtain any records is to contact
Southampton City Archive
Southampton City Council
South Block Basement
Civic Centre
Southampton
SO14 7LY
There are details of how to apply for fourth register records on their website which seems to be down right now but try later.
read http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,385954.0.html
Just give them all the personal detail you can about him. They are not interested when he was married or who to or his kids so I suggest you ask for---
"The records for Charles Anderson, born around 1876 possibly in Scandinavia.  Possibly living in Newport South Wales."
They  will do three searches for £15. Like I say a long shot.

Just a pointer. If he did die at sea, then there will not be a Death Certificate unless there was a doctor onboard.



I have found a Charles ANDERSSON born 1876/1877 in Sweden serving as an Able bodied seaman on the Newport owned and registered vessel LILLIAN MORRIS official number 73131 between 8/Dec/1898 and 31/Aug/1899.
She carried a crew of 20.  5 of whom came from Sweden, all around the same age and all previously served on the vessel HOLDEN of West Hartlepool. West Hartlepool was a major trading port for the Baltic and Scandinavia.
The details are contained in Monmouthshire (now Gwent) record office Repository REF D.907.8.26
I ran a search in Welsh Mariners http://www.welshmariners.org.uk/
There is no record of him as Master, Mate or Engineer

[turfy]

Hi Seaweed

Thank you very very much for finding him!!

I will do as you suggest and see if I can find out any more info as well..

I wonder if I can find any photo's of the vessel's on the internet - how brilliant if so!

I have enclosed a scan of his marriage certificate, as Macintosh suggested his rank at the time looks to be Boatswain?

Also I am having trouble reading his fathers name and profession off the form - what do you think - and I'm not sure of Gladys Father's profession either?

Thank you so much.

[macintosh]

Turfy,
His fathers' name was Kristian and he was a Master Tanner,
A curer, and producer of leather hides

 James

[macintosh]

Turfy,
The father of Gladys was a Master Tailor

Jamas

[turfy]

Hi James
Thanks for that - I thought that was what the document said but I always like to get a second opinion if I am in the least unsure..

I will have to upgrade my Ancestry subscription to include overseas to have any chance of following Kristian back.

Haven't been able to find any photo's of the Lillian Morris or Holden - but I guess that was hoping for too much!

Thanks for all your help.
Garry