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Seaman M S
« on: Thursday 15 October 09 17:25 BST (UK) »
Can anyone please tell me what 'Seaman M S' would stand for in the early 1900's Navy? (dont know if it relates to Merchant or Royal)
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« Reply #1 on: Thursday 15 October 09 17:26 BST (UK) »
I'd have thought that MS probably stood for 'Merchant Service'.

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Re: Seaman M S
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 15 October 09 17:55 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jennifer - it was entered as Father's rank / profession on my Grandmothers Marriage certificate...

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« Reply #3 on: Thursday 15 October 09 18:14 BST (UK) »
Extremely difficult to research seamen from this era. In 1857 the Board of Trade abandoned the Seamen's register reasoning that the agreements and crew lists were sufficient to meet the needs of the department. So, from 1858 - 1913 no register of ordinary seamen's service was kept.
Read http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/rdleaflet.asp?sLeafletURL=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Enationalarchives%2Egov%2Euk%2Fcatalogue%2Fleaflets%2Fri2198%2Ehtm&lBack=-1#2
May be of help.

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Re: Seaman M S
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 15 October 09 18:35 BST (UK) »
Thanks Seaweed.
Elderly relatives are insistent that he was a sea Captain and thought he may have been from Norway.
His name was Charles Anderson and he married Gwladys (welsh spelling) Ball. I dont know the date but Gwladys was born in 1888. We also know that he died at sea. They had a daughter Olive Everlyn Anderson b. 1910.
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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 15 October 09 18:37 BST (UK) »
Should also say that Charles Anderson had died sometime before 1931..

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« Reply #6 on: Friday 16 October 09 18:31 BST (UK) »
I can find a Captain Charles Anderson born in Denmark in 1856 and I know he was around in 1911 but I have my doubts if this is your man because he obtained his Masters ticket in Sunderland and there would be a considerable age difference. Apart from the fact that family folklaw always prescribes that any seaman was a captain.

If your man died at sea whilst onboard a British vessel then it  would be recorded in the series BT334 at the National archive.

After 1890 the new series of registers are in the class Registers and Indexes of Births, Marriages and Deaths of Passengers and Seamen at Sea. The information given in these registers is as follows:

deaths: name of ship, official number, port of registry, date of death, place of death, name of deceased, sex, age, rating [for seamen], rank or profession or occupation [for non-seamen], nationality and birthplace, last place of abode, cause of death, remarks.
The registers cover the period 1891-1964 with some ommisions and there are indexes arranged both by ships' names and individuals' names. Entries in the indexes in red ink refer to passengers; those in black ink to crew.
I don't know if you can view these records online.

It may be worthwhile looking at the census records. If  he was onboard a ship when the census was taken the name of the vessel would be given.

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Re: Seaman M S
« Reply #7 on: Friday 16 October 09 18:58 BST (UK) »
Hi Seaweed

Many Thanks for all that very useful info.

I will carry on hunting, I have to find him - he is my Great Grandfather...

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« Reply #8 on: Sunday 18 October 09 12:40 BST (UK) »
Have you any idea as to the year of his death?
Dim ateb yn well nag ateb anghywir. Nid oes dim yn ddall fel rhai nad ydynt yn dymuno gweld

RIP Roger 10 August 2022