Sutherlands

[MonicaL]

Jim, it is your family tree where the OPR image shows. There are another three trees showing for what looks like the same line. The one for son Alexander and Catherine Henderson looks the most comprehensive apart from yours.

Monica

[jamesmatthews45]

Hi Monica,

This is all great for me and thank you so much for you help and interest.  I will have to have a look in the morning as I have lost it a bit.  You will have to forgive me as I have only just got into this

regards Jim

[MonicaL]

Jim

Take a break...brain start to go round in circles after a while  I'll add anything I find and you can have a look through when you can 

Monica

[MonicaL]

From 1851, this looks like Esther and John, and daughter Jessie (Janet) and James McGregor:

John Sutherland 69, tailor, b. Parish of Berriedale, Caithness
Esther Sutherland 69, b. Parish of Latheron, Caithness
Anne Sutherland 25, daughter, hemp spinner, b. Parish of Berriedale, Caithness

Also at the same addresss of Knockally (on the same page) are your McGregors:

James McGregor 38, Agricultural Labourer, b. Parish of Latheron, Caithness
Janet McGregor 29, b. Parish of Berriedale, Caithness, as are all the children...
Jane McGregor 13
Isabel McGregor 12
Esther McGregor 9
Charles McGregor 6
Anne McGregor 3
Johanna McGregor 2

Monica

[MonicaL]

There is a death in 1855 showing on SP for an Esther Sutherland, with a birth year of 1783, in Latheron. I wonder if this is the one found by your G Aunty?

I found this:

Esther SUTHERLAND(2139) was born in 1783. She died on 2 Apr 1855. Parents: William SUTHERLAND  and Ann SUTHERLAND.

She was married to John SUTHERLAND in 1802 in Latheron.

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~kaob/d120.htm#P3005

Jim, might be worthwhile you looking at the original image for this death. As mentioned earlier, it will (should!) show her children's names and birth years or ages at the point of this Esther's death. This will let you confirm whether it is the right line. If the children match what you know about them, then it may be that you have the wrong parents in John S and Janet Cormack perhaps?

Also been thinking the list of children you show in your post. I think that the dates are not actual dates but should be ages for Esther's children from her death cert (if you take of the 18 from the numbers you show )

See http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=robbain&id=I1963

Stage at a time though.....

Monica

[MonicaL]

Possible descendents for you to follow up with:

A possible further daughter: The parents of Margaret Sutherland 1807 Latheron were John Sutherland and Esther Sutherland http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SCT-CAITHNESS/2008-02/1204060094

Regarding son Alexander: My G G grandfather, Alexander Sutherland .......On his death certificate his age was 71, His parents were John and Esther Sutherland. www.net-wizards.com/forum/cgi-bin/main.cgi?forum_id=10775&add_message=5623&page=2

Monica

[jamesmatthews45]

Hi Monica,
I will go through all of this today as I am all over the place with it.  Perhaps it is time to get paper and pen out rather than looking at different computer screens lol.

This started years ago and the McGregor side is well documented.  However, my daughter decided to take it further but she has given up (addition to the family) so I will now take over.

I so appreciate your help already a fund of knowledge.  I even have trouble finding facts on SP I had done about 3 searches on Esther Sutherland with no results then don’t know what I done but there she was?

Please take a look at the Matthews/Brown family tree I am sure the McGregor part is correct to a point but being new to this I may have made basic errors.

Once again many thanks for all your help and time you are giving me.


Regards
Jim

[MonicaL]

Hi Jim

Looking at your tree on Ancestry. Not sure if you have the right 1841 census entry for James McGregor and Jessie Sutherland.

I think this might be them in 1841 with James working and living with his family at the household of Robert Ryrie, farmer:

Robert Ryrie 50, farmer
James Ryrie 15
John McGreggor 15, agr. lab.
Christina Stewart 15, servant
Helen Coghill 15, servant
Alexander Murray 60, farm manager
Janet McKay 30
James McGreggor 20, servant
Janet Sutherland 20
Ann Sutherland 13, servant...wonder whether this is Jessie's sister who shows with parents in 1851?
Jane McGreggor 4
Isabella McGreggor 3
Esther McGreggor 3 months

Address: Dunn, Watten, Caithness

Remember for the 1841 census, everyone over 15 is supposed to have their ages rounded down to the nearest 5 yrs and no relationships given with the household.

Monica

[jamesmatthews45]

I think you are more likley to be right.  I would go with what you say as we are just learinging about these things and it would appear are making a lot of errors.

Where did you get this information?

Again many thanks.  Before I forget I put up the Birth Cert for Esther on Ancestry.  Also put up marrage cert for Charles McGregor and Isobel McKay but even with this not 100% sure I have correct documents.  God this is not easy lol

Regards Jim