James R Yeowell's Scavenger Hunt...Everyone Welcome To Join In

[ammonite]

Hi  yes I found Thomas and Hannah together in 1881 on the census in camberwell

Thos Esberger, head, married,m, 68, Inmate L V Asylum b. Bermondsey Surrey
Hannah Esberger, Wife, married,f,58, Inmate L V Asylum b. Old Ford Middlesex
RG11, 691,  31, 5

The LV asylum if you look at the address is Licenced Victuallers Asylum!

[James R. Yeowell]

Esberger seems a fairly uncommon surname, so I am fairly sure the Thomas Esberger who married Mary Millis is either the same Thomas, or a relative.

[James R. Yeowell]

Right, I am now confused.

John Robert Millis (mostly noted as just John) and his wife Lydia Brime were having children christened in Clerkenwell in the 1820s (although their eldest was in fact christened in St. Pancras).  John Robert Millis is a Shoemaker and of York Street.
John Millis (noted down twice as John Robert Millis) and his wife Elizabeth Fortye Maunsell are also having children christened in St. Pancras, in the 1820s.  John Millis is a Shoemaker and of York Street.

What is going on?

Are they father and son?

The ages seem to conflict though.  John Millis and Lydia Brime, who married in 1809, had a son John Millis christened in 1821.  Unless this was an adult christening, he cannot be the John Robert Millis who married Elizabeth Fortye Millis in 1822.  In fact, even a birth of 1809/10 would mean it is not him.

So perhaps they are cousins?

Any ideas?

Also, is York Street a long road that goes through both St. Pancras and Clerkenwell?

There are other Millis' in London who also seem to be Shoemakers, so I presume they are related and not the same individual.

I cannot find a burial for a Lydia Millis either.  A John Robert Millis is buried in Clerkenwell, which ties in with the one who was married to Elizabeth Fortye Maunsell.

[James R. Yeowell]

It seems Mary Millis who married Thomas Esberger may not have died before 1851.  Therefore suggesting she married a different Thomas Esberger.  I maybe also be so bold to say that Annabel and Mary are the same person.  Although she could be wife of a son of the above Thomas Esberger.

On the record of their marriage, it says she was of Finchley.

On the 1851 census, I have found a Mary Esberger, born circa 1800, Finchley, a Victualler Out of Business.  Most importantly she is married.  However, she is living on her own in Regent Street, Lambeth.

Lambeth is also where the Esbergers were buried.

I also found a burial in Finchley on 3 June 1852, for a Mary Ann Millis, born 1780.  I am not saying this is the same individual but the location of Finchley is the same.

[James R. Yeowell]

I have just searched the registers for St. Mary, Finchley and have found Mary Millis, christened 8 April 1798, daughter of William Millis and Ann.

So it is therefore very likely the Mary Esberger on the census is indeed her.

Who is Annabell though?

[ShaunJ]

Thomas Esberger

Baptised 1 August 1813 St Mary Magdalen Bermondsey

Parents Michael, a porter,  and Elizabeth, of Star Corner Bermondsey.

In 1839 Thomas was licensee of the Skinners Arms 127 Great Suffolk Street

[ShaunJ]

1851

3 Little Canterbury Place, Lambeth

Thomas Esberger Head Mar 38 Railway Assistant  Lambeth
Annabella Esberger Wife do 36  Shields
Emily Esberger daur U 6 Mo Lambeth
 

HO107/1571/322/ 21

[ShaunJ]

Police report in The Times of April 23 1845 page 8 column B:

( a case of uttering counterfeit 5/- pieces)

".....the evidence of Mr Thomas Esberger, landlord of the Halifax Arms, Mlie-End, New Town.... the prisoner..  ordered some spirits with which he was served by the witness's wife"

FreeBMD records the birth of an Annabella Esberger in 1844 and the death of Anabell Esberger in 1849, both in Lambeth, presumably a daughter of Thomas and Annabell(a).

[ShaunJ]

Thomas Esberger was in Horsemonger Lane prison for debt in May/June 1843


Per The Gazette 9 June 1843:

"Thomas Esberger, formerly of the Anchor Public-house, No. 227, Farringdon-street, London, then of the Skinners' Arms Public-house, Great Suffolk-street, Southwark, Surrey, at the same time having the house called the King's Arms, Suffolk-street, then of the Rose Public house, No. 21, Saville-place, Lambeth-walk, Surrey, carrying on the business of a Licenced Victualler at each of the said places, and late of No. 138, Lambeth-walk aforesaid, in Lodgings, out of business."

He was at Saville Place with Mary and his mother Elizabeth in 1841 HO107/1057/ 2/22/38

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