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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #405 on: Sunday 07 February 10 06:41 GMT (UK) »
Also,

David, here's mention in the Syd Gaz of the arrival of that vessel in Dec 1825 re Captain Rook ... I've not yet looked for mention of his fate in the VDL papers

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/2184878  Syd Gaz Monday 19 December 1825

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #406 on: Sunday 07 February 10 06:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

I think the line above Thomas' christening would be DENNETT as there's a marriage in 1813 registered at St Phillips Sydney for William DENNETT and Elizabeth GARLAND, also children with same surname and same parents first name  from 1810 to 1813 ....

Now, were either of these names on the Musters in VDL, and etc  ;D  oh and also .... are they candidates for "prying eyes"

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #407 on: Sunday 07 February 10 06:54 GMT (UK) »
And also,

The NSW Col Sec papers has a William Dennett with land grant in VDL and he got an absolute pardon in Sept 1810, and he was ex the Royal Admiral in 1800.... and of course, on a quick online search, not finding anything on Elizabeth Garland ... her being a female and we know what finding records for females in penal NSW is like ....  afterall we are nearly 60 pages into the search for Catharine  ;)


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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #408 on: Sunday 07 February 10 06:58 GMT (UK) »
errrrrrrrr

Did you know that William DENNETT's pardon (of 17/9/1810) seems to be associated with NORFOLK ISLAND ....  its on the main State Archives, under Tickets of Leave etc 1810-1819 ....

That's another NI link to Catharine Christiana McNally ....

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #409 on: Sunday 07 February 10 07:17 GMT (UK) »
Wiggy,
I know you want Thomas to be fathered by Ransom but I feel the contenets of teh will virtually rule out that possibility.

I know you won't like it  ::)

Have we decided yet whether it was Ransom or McNally who had the impediment to a marriage between them 8)

The death in 1825 of William Rook interests me. Could he have been Catharine's impediment?  By the time of his death her relationship with Ransom was well accepted and there would have ben no need to change anything. It would also leave her free to marry Steiglitz. :D

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #410 on: Sunday 07 February 10 07:38 GMT (UK) »
Sorry JM - don't have a scanner - I take photos of photos - and the photographic people don't like them as the definition isn't good enough!

Wiggy
Gaunt, Ransom, McNally, Stanfield, Kimberley. (Tasmania)
Brown, Johnstone, Eskdale, Brand  (Dumfriesshire,  Scotland)
Booth, Bruerton, Deakin, Wilkes, Kimberley
(Warwicks, Staffords)
Gaunt (Yorks)
Percy, Dunning, Hyne, Grigg, Farley (Devon, UK)
Duncan (Fife, Devon), Hugh, Blee (Cornwall)
Green, Mansfield, (Herts)
Cavenaugh, Ransom (Middlesex)
 

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #411 on: Sunday 07 February 10 12:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi All,

Just to recall ....

The impediment was with Catharine rather than with Thomas  .... at least that's how I read this newspaper article ... Open Letter to Gov Arthur .... prying eyes dobbed several couples in .... not just Thomas ....  its in Friday 3 June 1825 Hobart Town Gazette and Van Diemen’s Land Advertiser  pages 3 & 4

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/page/123597

I'm of the view that it was Catharine Christiana McNally who was on that vessel Perserverence in May 1811 ...  errrrr .... in late 1700's it had been under the command of Amasa Delano, and had been in VDL before settlement !  And had been to NI, and in 1804 it had left PJ to sail to Chile, and errr .... 17 convicts had smuggled on board !

I am of the view that Thomas Ransom is unlikely to be the father of her son ....  I am of the view that the bonds made on NI between those convicted women and men thus gave them the unspoken reasons to provide Catharine with comfort, love, compassion and protection.   To me, the owner of the "prying eyes" only knew one small part of the jigsaw, while the former NI inhabitants deliberately chose to "close ranks" around Thomas and Catharine....  they protected their own ...

Perhaps Catharine lost track of Mr NcNally (he of several possible aliases, but with skills that included pilotage of Newcastle NSW) ....  If Catharine lost track of him, then it would perhaps be around 11 (or was that actually 4 and just mistranscribed ) 11 years would not stop him being a possible father for Ann, but four years .... errrr 1825 less 4 .... that puts him in the picture as the father of Catharine's son.   Mcguire .... alias McNally, Macannally, Wilson et al .... one man with a love of the sea ...

If Rev Knopwood asked Catharine (at the baptism) are your married, or what's your husband's name .... HOW WOULD YOU ANSWER if you were Catharine .... 
a) I don't know if I am married .... b) I don't know my husband's actual name ... he's had so many  aliases ... or c)  I'm living with Mr Ransom at the moment and he wants me to say "he's the father" ....

 And so  if you were Rev Knopwood, what would you then record for the name of the child's father .... The Rev'd seems to have taken the easy option ..... 

PS, as an aside, did you notice that Captain Rook was on the brig Elizabeth on Tuesday 17 January 1826 when it sailed into PJ with over 4200 seal furs .. ie after the reports of his death  ;D were received in Dec 1825 ... 

Cheers,  JM
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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #412 on: Sunday 07 February 10 21:29 GMT (UK) »
JM,
Yes i found that 1826 reference last night for W Rook arriving in 1826- a corpse do you think- or was he frostbitten but the news of his demise greatly exaggerated- I had a date of1827 in my mind from my previous Rook trawls, but...
I like the concept of Unmarried being not married to Thomas, but why would she not give his name as father in that case- many in those circs did?

David
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Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
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John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #413 on: Sunday 07 February 10 23:15 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

MCNALLY adding to the info about James McGuire, alias McNally and thinking about the Catherine McGwire in the Muster in VDL ... 

18 April 1804 at Lancester ....four men tried and sentenced to 7 years transportation, the four arrived in PJ in 1806.  They were:

William PERRIGOE, John CUNLIFFE, John QUIN, and James McGUIRE als McNALLY ....

Cheers,

JM
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