Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana

[majm]

Hi there,

Re James McGuire alias James McNally

Notice that in Feb 1812 there's a James McGuire on the Schooner, Unity probably as crew .... also mention of a female on that trip .... Elizabeth Standey

Sydney Gazette Saturday 22 February 1812

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

Hi there,

There's a NSW index for a Conditional Pardon of 1 Jan 1814 (and of course 1814 + 11 years = 1825 and err "prying eyes") anyways, the CP was issued in the name of James McGuire ....

Cheers,  JM

PS ... Pilotage of Newcastle today is apparently considered a very specialised skill and only awarded to very experienced mariners .... (as per my OH's comments this evening)

Modifying to add  that the Fortune arrived at PJ and was followed by the WHALING vessel, Alexander.  There were male and female convicts on the Alexander ....  " James McGuire alias James McNally" is the entry on the 1806 ships' muster 

[davclem]

 
Now I was going to be a smarty pants and tell you all about Rosetta Rook and Alfred and Henry and all the Rookes of Hampshire and Catharine Rook and Patience and William Rook, and what do I find ! I’ve been trumped with a Mcguire- well done JM !
So -James Mcquire (alias McNally)    7 years on 18 April 1804 Lancashire ... arrived  Fortune and Alexander in 1806 (to PJ)   Col Sec papers1810  recommended as a pilot at Newcastle so mariner, could be  Perserverence  May 1811. particularly as  sentence was 7 years and on 20 April 1811 he was claiming his time was up !   Conditional Pardon of 1 Jan 1814  in  name of James McGuire . So known as McGuire, Mcnally and Wilson?
So I immediately thought-
1818 free Women on General Muster Hobart Town
Catherine McGwire  (  McGuire)
But also listed is Julia McGwire maiden name Hopley married to Robert McGuire, she arrived 1803 on Calcutta, and Catharine is probably their daughter, as Robert is listed in 1819 Muster as with wife and child. The1822 Muster Hobart Town – Women does not include Catherine - so she has married or left or died, but she is the daughter of Robert and Julia and so not the wife of James McGuire/Mcnally.

David




   

[majm]

Hi all, especially Robyn,

So William Rook arrived in 1791 and there's no sighting on NI after 1796 errr....  Catharine Christiana McNally's year of birth is likely to be 1789 .... as per that notice in The Courier of Friday 21 August 1857.... DEATH. On the 17th instant, at Killymoon, CHRISTINA, the wife of Frederick L. Stieglitz, Esq., aged 68 years.

If Catharine Rook /McNally (variants) of the Perverence May 1811, was his sister, it would be as his younger sister ....  

Hi all

thinking of individuals AGES and the time line:
Is it  likely that Catharine ROOK may have been Williams's SISTER

Have posted a query on NI page on face book anad will also try another NI ,mailing list.

modified to add,
Had one reply from NI facebook page.

William Rooke:  arrived on "Matilda"  June 1791 as convict;  left after
October 1796 No information about the other two.

Robyn

[majm]

Hi David,

I feel we are all "this close".... to sorting and between us we will all come up "trumps"  ....  I cannot find the James McGuire alias Mcnally etc on any NSW records after that possible sighting of a CP in 1814 ... To me, he has "Gone Whaling"....  Also, I cannot find that Catharine who was on the Perserverance in May 1811... I think that she's  "Gone Whaling" until she was carrying either a) Ann or b) Thomas McNally and was perhaps landed in "Hobart's Town" after the 1820 Muster.  Not sure why she's not there for the 1822 Muster, .... or the 1823 one remembering that there's a Constable Amos who conducted part of that 1823 muster and his diary seems to be extant in some archives somewheres... 

Cheers,

JM

[davclem]

Wiggy has us all brainwashed with Catherine being respectable! So- respectability we shall seek Patience,Prudence, the whole Pilgrims Progress bit- I wanted her to be Catherine Brown, the Quaker/Methodist.

How about Catherine Rook as niece of William Rook?

And don't forget that  Catherine Christina Mcnally was the chatelaine of Killymoon, which estate included the property of Millbrook, because the mill was built on the creek- but, what if the parents of Catherine Rook,( John Rooke and catherine Whitely )were married at Millbrook , Hampshire, on 19 April 1792, with daughter Catherine arriving 24/1/1793.

And if Uncle william ( born 1777) married Patience West in 1794 at Alverstoke

And if Uncle Henry (born 1786) had a son Alfred in 1820 who married Catherine Hall  in 1841 and had a daughtr Rosetta!

[ Thomas Rooke and Mary Tilman married in 1769, and begat John 1772, Mary 1773, James 1775 ( who was convicted of stealing sheep at the 6/3/1793 Hampshire assizes and transported for 7 years), William in 1777, Jenny 1782 and Henry 1786.]

But nothing is what it seems in this tale, so, Team, pick holes in it, because it is past my bedtime.

David

[davclem]

 Another William Rook record-

Governor Hunter. Schooner, 35 tons.  Registered Sydney 18 January 1805. Master William Rook. Stranded in the Furneaux Group, off Badger Island, 1 April 1809. Later refloated. Wrecked near Port Stephens, 1816. [LF],[AS1]

Have sent email to Editor Meon Valley News in hampshire asking readers for any Rook family history

David

[regross]

Wow you two move so fast.

Yes Dav Catharine a a niece would be just as acceptable, I feel she would be to old to be his daughter.

Mcguire(et al) is of course  most probably another alias for Wilson/McNally as JM proposes.

"Millbrook" is a wonderful connection Dav and possibly a great clue that we have not explored before. I know my grandfather called his house in Australia HAMPSTEAD after his place of birth. Another ancestor gave his place of birth as a seecond name to one of his children. SO a good lead to look at

regards

Robyn

[davclem]

http://www.freewebs.com/rookfamilytree/names15.htm

Just found Rook family site- seems William of this family 1777 is not our man, who is buried at West Grinstead Sussex  in 1854- although no intervening information,so  he may heve gone back to England, but I think he died 1827 for some reason. However, nothing in site about Catherine 1793and Millbrook 1792, so that may still be a valid option. The initial link into this family was because of the name Rosetta Rook 1841 of Chalton Hants, which seemed too good to be true, then Millbrook.

Just keep on keeping on- need to pick up my better half from the airport, so probably offline for a day or so.

David