Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana

[majm]

  I've been looking at lists and lists circa 1820 - 1830 for VDL
 
1830 NALLY
John Mc ex Manlius in VDL assigned to a Mr Petchey
Wm Mc ex Lady East of 1825, in VDL assigned to a T Anstey Esq

1830 NANNIE
John Mc ex Andronedra (sic), transported to Maria Island 

There's stacks with Mc appearing after their first name .......  

I'll see what else I can find about the Nally Wm Mc (presume William McNally  ) ex that Lady East of 1825

Cheers,  JM

[majm]

    

VDL 1826, Nally William Mc ex Lady East assigned to Dr Seacombe

and
1823, William McNally sentenced to 7 years transportation for Larceny from the person .... trial Oct 1823 Lancashire

Noticing that NSW Musters list "Mc" and "Mac" under M, but VDL does NOT ...., 

Now to find when the Lady East arrived in VDL .... (to eliminate a possible candidate for the "prying eyes" informant  )

JM

[majm]

Errr.......... I'm putting William McNally in the frame 

The Lady East left UK about 16 Dec 1824, arrived VDL abt 9 April 1825 .... 

Remembering Thomas Ransom's letter to Gov Arthur was written in 1825, but AFTER April 

Perhaps William had married Catharine in about 1814  in perhaps Lancashire  ... now to try to find a maiden surname PRE 1837 in England .... not exactly an easy task    And then to find that surname used to get a "came free" lady to NSW or VDL ... again, not exactly an easy task ....

Cheers,

JM

[majm]

Err,

Nalley Mc Wm, (noticing the "e"  ) err he certainly  liked to drink    did he run into Thomas and or Catharine in Hobart Town shortly after he arrived  on one of his (without leave) excusions from his Master's house 

http://search.archives.tas.gov.au/default.aspx?detail=1&type=I&id=CON31/1/29  (image 305 of 366  )

Cheers,

Oh well, Wiggy will have lots of catching up to do when she's back from holidays. 

And I hope David can follow up on this particular chap who was still alive and was found drunk in 1832  ... perhaps William McNally was a brother to Catharine, but he thought he could get free drinks from Thomas by holding Thomas to "ransom" over some apparent secret about her ....

well errr.... at least I've found a possible candidate for those "prying eyes".... and I've found many "Mc" and "Mac" filed in VDL records under the remainder of their surnames.... I have found it rather odd to read eg "Namara, John Mc" ...

JM

[regross]

One of the places I searched for Nalley Nally Nallie  Nallen was Tas Colonial family resource. Just checked NIELE and NEILE no luck there only Daniel McNielly b Ireland 1785 died Hobart 1871 so the death is too late to be of interestand a Catherine McNiell who entered a relationship with William
laird in 1846.

Robyn

[regross]

http://srwww.records.nsw.gov.au

Bench of Magistrates Court
Jame McNally 1798
Owen McNally 1814
Who are these men? They also before the arrivals of convicts of that name see below:

Court of Civil Jurisdtiction
James McNally 1810 and 1812 So who is he? Not the convict as it is before 1816 see below

So there are MCNally's around in the relevant times

Plus convicts McNally:
Owen 1815
James  1816
Patrick 1818
William 1820

MMMMMM

Robyn

[davclem]

I am still focussing on sealing crew McNallys ( and derivatives) prior to 1819- so futher to Post 346 we have John Macanally as crew  per Gov Maquarie 13/8/1814, John Macanally per Gov Maquarie 4/3/1815,  James Macanally alias Wilson per Perserverance with Catharine Rooke in 1811, and of course the John McNally and wife employed by Cummings 6/1/1816 per Brothers.

Just from memory, Owen is out of the frame, so is Patrick.

I can't get out of my mind that we have two guys called Mcnally, John and James , in Port Dalrymple in 1818 ,  a seaman John Mcnally on the Governor Maquarie who pops up in Sydneyand  Hobart between 1810-1818 at least, a John Mcnally and a Catherine having a child in 1810, and a John McNally and wife going to Port Dalrymple 1816. I have checked my notes, but can't see why I eliminated Catherine Rook(e) from the scene- daughter of William Rooke? did she die  in the Boyd massacre, was she just too old- otherwise there she is in the same crew as James Macanally in the Perserverance in 1810 ( and John on Rosetta with William Rooke as master in 1815)

David

[regross]

DAv,

Am I right in assuming that none of these

so futher to Post 346 we have John Macanally as crew  per Gov Maquarie 13/8/1814, John Macanally per Gov Maquarie 4/3/1815,  James Macanally alias Wilson per Perserverance with Catharine Rooke in 1811

would show up on the relevant musters?
But that

John McNally and wife employed by Cummings 6/1/1816 per Brothers.

are included in the musters?

I think Catharine Rook was one of the victims in  Boyd massacre but I haven'tfound it yet it.

Wondered if we had followed up on this reference Wiggy found way way back in
     Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #248 on: Wednesday 05 August 09 01:13 UTC (UK) »

MCSALLY, James  In index to land grants in Van Diemen's Land (Fiche 3262; 4/438 p.64)

modified to add

FOUND IT
  Re: Please help? RANSOM Thomas 1821: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #238 on: Tuesday 04 August 09 10:35 UTC (UK) »    

Re REply 223 Catherine Rourke alias Catherine Rook(e), sealer. It just gets more confusing the more you dig- now Catherine Rourke has morphed into Bourke, and has been massacred in 1809 .,a year before she is in the crew of Perserverance with Jamed Macanally!

•   1809    70 Europeans killed when the ship the Boyd was sacked and the crew massacred in Whangaroa Harbour,  Northland. one woman, one girl, one boy and a baby spared and later rescued.  Those killed included passengers: Ann GLOSSOP, ]Catherine BOURKE [/font] (or ROURKE), R W WRATHER, James MOORE, John BUDDEN, Robert THOMAS, Mordica MARKS, John PETTY, Thomas MARTIN, William ALLEN, John THOMAS, William MAHONEY, Denis DESMOND.

David

RObyn

[majm]

Hi 

Saturday 18 May 1811, Sydney Gazette ... Here's Catharine Rook, only female crew member  on the Perserverence, of course with James Macanally alias Wilson ....

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/628246?searchTerm=%22Macanally%22

Cheers, All,

I like your thinking David   

JM