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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #342 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 05:18 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

I've had no luck finding names of the 73rd regiment for that tour of duty departing Deptford 1822 for Hobart.

But, there's IGI extracted for four girls for Archibald and Christina Morrison, so here's the four girls (all would be C of E as only denomination recognised during that era pre Rum Rebellion):

Kate, born 3 June 1793 at Parramatta, christened 16 June 1793
Mary, no birth date shown, but christened 31 Oct 1795 (mother's name transcribed as Christian)
Margaret, no birth date shown, but christened 3 June 1798
and Catherine (as previously posted there's a Moi typo, its not 1 October 1801 but ...) christening 02 October 1801

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #343 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 06:00 GMT (UK) »
Hi,

In The Times (London) Tuesday, Oct 05, 1824; pg. 2; Issue 12461; col F, there's mention of a report received back in England of  Captain ROLLAND of the Buffs (ie from moi memory that's the 73rd Regiment).  It mentions that the Buffs were stationed around Port Dalymple, and that Rolland had returned from a land excursion in that area. 

I mention this in case the name Rolland is a clue to finding the names of others in that detachment, including perhaps a McNally....   


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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #344 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 09:10 GMT (UK) »
Government Public Notice. Secretary's Office, Hobart Town, 3rd January, 1818

ALL Female Prifoners not affigned to Service, and who are allowed to be at large on their own Hands, must have regular Tickets of Leave ; they are required to apply at the Secretary's Office on Wednefday next, .the 7th Inftanf, between the Hours of Ten and One O’Clock, and to bring with them in writing the Names of the Ships in which they left England, the Years in which they arrived from Europe, and.the Names of the Veffels by which they arrived at this Colony alfo, the Periods and Places of Trial, and the periods of Sentence.

Such Women as neglect or disobey this Notice will be ordered into Government Employment.
Several Females haying appeared at the General Muster having stated themselves themelves to have become Free by Servitude, but were unable , to exhibit any Certificate of Freedom, all females, who have become  Free by Expiration of Sentence, not proffering a Certificate ,of Freedom,, are to apply, at this Office, on the following Day ,(Thürsday 8th),betweèn the Hours ot Ten and One; and bring with them in writing particulars Of their Trials, Sentences and vessels in which they arrived from Europe and at this Colony

By Command of His Honor the Lieutenant Governor,W. A Ross, Secretary
Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #345 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 09:24 GMT (UK) »


 This is the Public Order re the 1819 Muster- "Where were you ?" would be asked of any neighbour not turning up!
Government House, Hobart Town, Saturday, September 18th, 1819.
A GENERAL MUSTER of the Whole of the Inhabitants (Civil Officers and Military excepted) will take Place in the different Districts of the Settlement on the Derwent on the Days herein-after-mentioned, under the Inspection of His Honor the LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR.
In George's Square, Hobart Town, on Monday and Tuesday, October 11 and 12th, all the Free Men of every Description on and off the Stores residing in Hobart Town and adjacent Districts on this side of the River, including Queenborough to Brown's River and   North West Bay downwards, and New Town and its Environs as far as the Black Snake upwards. 
On, Wednesday, 13th all the Free Women of  every Description on and off the Stores in the same Districts.   
On Thursday, Friday, and Saturday, 14, 15, and 16th, all the Male Prisoners on and of       the Stores in the same Districts, includingTicket of Leave Men.
On Monday and Tuesday, October 18 and      19th, all the Female Prisoners on and off theStores in the same Districts.
At District Constable Kimberly's, ClarencePlains, on Wednesday, October 20th, the Whole of every Description of Free Men and   Women on and off the Stores, and of all Maleand Female Prisoners on and off the Stores, in Clarence Plains, the Lagoon District, and District of Kangaroo Point. 
At B. Reardon's, Pitt Water, on Friday, Octo- ber 22d, the Whole of every Description ofFree Men and Women on and off the Stores, in the District of Pitt Water, with New Plains and the Carleton.
On Saturday, October 23d, all the Male and Female Prisoners, Tickets of Leave included, within the said Districts.At the Coal River, near the Scite of the Hutformerly Mrs. Sargeant's, on Monday, Octo- ber 25th, the Whole of every Description of Free Men and Women on and off the Stores, and all Male and Female Prisoners, Tickets of Leave included, on and off the Stores, in   the Districts of the Coal River, the Duck Holes, &c.Herdsmen's Cove,
 on Wednesday, October29th, the Whole of every Description of Free Men and Women, and of Male and Female Prisoners, Tickets of Leave included, in the District and Vicinity of Herdsmen's Cove, Green Point, Black Brush, Old Beach, Tea- tree Brush, Dromedary Creek, Bagdad, Green- water Holes, Cross Marsh, Jericho, Rope Walk, and Spring Hill, including all Stock- keepers as far as York Plains and the Macquarie River.
At Elizabeth, Town, New Norfolk, on Monday, November aft, all the Free Men and Women, on and off the Stores, in the District of New Norfolk, the Back Settlement, and District of Melvill ; also those resident at the Fat Doe River, the Rivers Plenty and Styx,Stony-hut Plains, and all Out-stations and Stockyards in that Quarter. On Tuesday, November 2d, all the Male and Female Prisoners, Tickets of Leave included,within the same Districts.     
The Muster will begin at Ten o'clock in the Morning at the Places and on the Days stated. At all these Musters the Free Women, as well those who came Free to this Colony as those who are Free by Absolute of Conditional Pardon, and by Expiration of Sentence, are to give in the Names and Ages of their Chil- dren. All Female Prisoners are also to give       in the Names and Ages of their Children. And all Persons, Male and Female, whose Sentences have expired, are desired to bring   their Certificates :-Those who have received Pardons and Emancipations are also to pro-   duce them, and all Tickets of Leave to be ex-hibited.
The Settlers and Holders of Land and Stock will give in an Account of their Land io Culti- vation, together with the Stock and Grain in their Possession.
It being impossible for the Musters to be taken accurately without the personal Attendance of all herein described, it is the LIEUTENANT GOVERNOR'S positive Orders that every Person comprised within this Order do   personally attend ; and any who act in Disobedience will incur immediate Forfeiture of all present and an Exclusion from all future indulgences ; and all Persons who have People in their Employ, who are comprised in this Order, are required to warn them to attend at the Times and Places specified, for the several Districts in which they reside ; and no Returns will be received from any Persons of those in their Employ, the personal Attend- ance of all being strictly enjoined.
All Public Officers will make a Return of the Land and Stock in their Possession ; and in Order that all Stock-keepers may have opportunity of attending these Musters at the     Place most convenient to their Employers, they are allowed to attend on any of the Days of Muster at the Place and Distroct most convenient to their Grazing-ground.
Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820


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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #346 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 09:31 GMT (UK) »
Search Criteria: Surname="macnally"


Family Name   Given Name(s)   Title   Rank   Ship of Departure   Date of Departure   Port of Departure   Where Bound   Ship to Colony   Status   Remarks   References
Macnally   John      Seaman   Governor Macquarie   28 Jan 1818   Hobart   Port Dalrymple and Port Jackson            CUS33/1/3 p31

There were McNallys around in 1818, John McNally, seaman, going  on Governor Macquarie from Hobart to Port Dalrymple and Port Jackson- possibly the sealer John Macanally (Rosetta 16/12/1815 SGazette), John Macknelly (Queen Charlotte 3/4/1813 SG and Queen Charlotte 1/3/1815).

David


         

Juler- NWNorfolk , Thomas/Alice ,pre 1800,
Clement-Durham, Eng,pre 1800
Holroyd, Staffordshire, pre 1750
Amelia Wyatt/Cole/Booth,  born Surrey ,abt 1821
John Wentworth who married Sarah Holmes, Carshalton,pre 1785
John Frith married Ann, Yorkshire/pre 1770, Settrington?
Alice Miles married Holkham Norfolk to Juler about 1745
Thomas Sanders , Buckland 1700s
Richard Adams , tailor , Lambeth ,about 1780-1830
Earliest reference to Break O'Day Plains, Eastern Tasmania, before 1820

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #347 on: Wednesday 03 February 10 09:46 GMT (UK) »
Hi David,

If I were around in 1819, and I was anywhere in VDL errr........ I would have turned up to be MUSTERED  ;D, and I would have done the same in 1822 .... ;D...  that's perhaps why I am doubtful that Catharine Christina McNally was in VDL in 1819 or in 1822  ;D.  That Public Order is so very similar to Lachlan Macquarie's for the Musters in NSW...

Have you any ideas about the current whereabouts for information from the 1823 Muster ?  It would be very interesting to learn the details for Thomas Ransom, the publican  ;D

By the way, I think the baptismal date for Thomas McNally was 18 December, and I seem to recall that there were newspaper advertisements in December 1829 from a neighbour complaining about stray cattle at Green Ponds, markings TR and CN... so errrrr ....  perhaps Catharine was in Hobart organising a) Oct 1829 the publican's licence, b) November the probate of Thomas' will, c) December her trousseau for her marriage to Fred, and perhaps even d) her son's baptism...  

Re the Seaman on the ship  Hobart and PD to PJ...  I seem to recall posting on the old thread, or perhaps earlier on this thread with info about several seamen with similar names/voyages, but if Jan 1818 was the last time John McNally, the seaman was around, then that would suggest that Catharine's son was born no more than nine months after Jan 1818 ;D  or errr... perhaps he was one of the impediments that bespoke Thomas Ransom dating from about 1814  ;D... 

Again, its defaulting back to finding the record, and inspecting the record ...   

Cheers,

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #348 on: Thursday 04 February 10 01:26 GMT (UK) »
Hi all,

Perhaps there's a clue as to how Catherine Christina's surname may have been written in VDL in her era ...

I have spotted a VDL record for a "Nally John Mc" .... a convict who was sentenced in 1828 in Middlesex, and transported to VDL via the Manlius. 

It seems to me that it is quite likely that those initials branded on those straying steers in the December 1829 newspaper advertisements... well, they were " C N "  that would be N would be for NALLY  Mc .  I have raised this previously, but it seems to me that at least in the instance that I have found today, that the "Mc" was not causing surnames to be listed under "M" ........

I would be interested to know what the parish records show (Nally Mc versus Mc Nally or versus M'Nally etc)  for
a) Catharine's marriage to Fred in 1830, and for
b) Thomas McNally's baptism at (I think) St Davids on 18 December 182X ?

http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4217562 This cutting has it as M'Nally, it seems to be the only newspaper cutting with Catharine's full name of Catharine Christiana M'Nally mentioned, its to do with calling a special meeting for 6 April 1829 re the licence transfer considerations.... (The Hobart Town Courier Saturday 21 March 1829)... 

Cheers

JM




 
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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #349 on: Thursday 04 February 10 03:52 GMT (UK) »
JM' Perhaps we need to really go look again at Nally and its variations, including Niele, where we have looked for Mc Nally (et al) before. We seem to have turned over every stone and page looking for McNally so perhaps it is time to explore another focussed version  :-\

Do seem to remember looking on BDM somewhere for Nally but oldtimers has blocked which one it was. :-[

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Re: Searching for origins of: MCNALLY, Catharine Christiana
« Reply #350 on: Thursday 04 February 10 05:40 GMT (UK) »
Hi there,

Reading over the threads, noticing various posts mention the index references to the NSW Col Secretary's papers, but errr... I have not found any actual references to the contents of those files.  So, err... perhaps I should mention that the contents of those files  can be ordered and copies sent via snail mail... From memory its $25 for the first, and $3 for up to five more... No, that's NOT $25 for the first page, its for the first reference... which could be any number of pages ...  I seem to recall paying $25 for one entry from the Col Secretary's papers(1788-1825) and receiving over 60 pages for someone in my own tree chart .... 

eg under Ransom, Thomas ... you would obviously get LISTS which include Thomas' name .... and thus also include OTHER NAMES ....  so errr.... the list for 1823 , owing quit rents at Green Ponds... perhaps it includes NAMES associated with Catharine Christiana McNally also... 

Hope Wiggy has spare $25 or so  ;D

RANSOM, Thomas. Per "Scarborough", 1790; former Master Carpenter, Norfolk Island
There's about nine index references, including this one :  :D

1823 On list of persons owing quit rents in Van Diemen's Land; for land in the District of Green Ponds (Fiche 3270; X19 p.21)
 
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